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That "cap space" is also a bit misleading since the article also says they're already over the cap for next year. So that cap space they have this year is really likely going to be rolled over into next year so they don't have to purge contracts to get under the cap. While they also have to re-sign Gonzales to a new deal next offseason as well which will need cap space that they don't currently have. But they are in the same boat as us in terms of Hendrickson, just doesn't make sense to give up a high pick, players, and a big contract unless you're in a SB window this season.

It’s not even about Arch, it’s that there is no way we should be trading a 1st rounder for a guy who might have 2-3 good years left in him because of his age. Trading a 1st for a player like that is a win now move, this roster is nowhere near ready enough to make those kind of trades.

lol at everyone calling me crazy but ignoring my very next line saying he’d cost us more than that trade. My point was if we can get him for a player we’re gonna cut and the player he’d replace in the lineup, without giving up even a 3rd, and getting him on a deal cheaper than he wants, then yea, I’m in. But not at the cost of what the Bengals will want and the contract he’ll need, not for a 31 year old when we have two promising rookies who need snaps this year.

I mean, look, if we could get him for say Wonum, Moore, and a 4th, and then he’d be okay getting $20 a year for 3 years with just 40 guaranteed, then sure, I’m in. But I think it would cost us more than that in trade capital and a decent amount more money too. Yes we might only have rotational or backup rushers as they currently stand. But I think there is a real possibility that Scourton and Princely could be our starting edge rushers for years to come, maybe as early as next year. Trey is someone you’ll get 3 years out of hopefully, I’d rather gamble on us finally hitting on some 2nd and 3rd rounders to have as starters on cheap deals for a few years than give up the capital and cap room for a 3 year rental.

Would have made sense before the draft, but now that we drafted Scourton and Princely, it just doesn’t make sense to give up players, picks, and the contract for a soon to be 31 year old. Sure, he could be really good for us and improve the defense, but it would be at the direct cost of developing players who could play here at a high level more then 3 years down the road from now, unlike Trey would.

Yep, I'm hoping we either HAVE to extend him or we trade him for the best offer, and if none, cut him. Anything in between is worst case scenario

I'm not so sure he built a defense around a specific DC. Most 3-4 defenders can fit a role nicely if they switch to a 4-3, especially when the OLB's are more like DE's and the DE's are more like DTs, which is the case for us with Scourton/Princley and Brown/Wharton. I think if we move to a 4-3 next year with a new DC, we'd have a pretty good DL and then likely use FA and the draft to bring in some LB's. It's some DE's and OLB's in 4-3's that don't have great fits for them in 3-4's sometimes. Which is exactly why I was always against someone like Walker in the draft. He's a 4-3 OLB and didn't really fit any role very well in a 3-4.

The two 0-16 teams in NFL history both went 4-0 in the preseason in the year they didn't win a game. Preseason really means nothing

My real fear is he will have the type of season that the team isn't ready to give up on him yet but he still hasn't proven worthy of being the long term guy either. When was the last time a 1st round QB was unable to prove they should (or shouldn't) be that team's long term solution after 3 years of being the starter and then still ended up being that team's long term QB? And that's my point, if he can't prove he's worthy of the extension this year, I'm not on board with bringing him back for year 4 as a prove it season. I can accept losing this year because the defense is still not there yet, but the offense is built to put up points with a good QB. There really is no excuse for Bryce to not live up to his draft position this year, if he can't, why wait another year (or two if they pick up the 5th year) to delay getting a QB in place to give us a shot to win a SB? I'm also not even saying that's what I think is going to happen, just what needs to happen if it comes to it. I know I've been a vocal anti Bryce person, but I have nothing against him and hope he succeeds because it's what is best for the franchise, to have our solution already in house.

Sorry, but if Bryce hasn't shown enough this season to prove he should be signed to an extension, then it's time to move on from him in the offseason. If he was even just a 2nd round pick it would be different, but when you trade away the farm to take a guy #1 overall, he doesn't get to his 4th season as still an unknown and then you throw him back out there as the starter for said 4th year. This is a make or break year for Bryce, the only way he can go into next season as our starting QB still on his rookie contract is if he balls out and then he's the one who won't sign an extension yet because he wants another great season on tape before signing his extension to get a bigger one. Another offseason of putting the cap space into the defense and another good draft, should have this roster set up to be a playoff team with good QB play. We can't waste yet another season on Bryce if he hasn't shown to be the guy the team sold fans on with the trade and draft.

You're touting someone being a backup QB on a SB winning team (who has 15 TD passes across 25 career starts) and another 40 year old player winning a SB MVP 13 years ago... And you think I'm the one not being serious? Yes, a true 2nd round QB talent should 100% be able to win that Week 1 starting QB job over those guys, no question about it.

The one good thing about being a non NC based Panthers fan these days is YouTube's Sunday Ticket for the regular season. $450 is a lot for the season, but it's still much less than I used to spend over the course of the season at BWW to be able to watch us every week when DirecTV had the package. Plus, it's amazing for Fantasy as I'm able to get 6 games going at once, one of the local TV games, one on my laptop, and then the quad box on the projector with 4 more games (and can even get a 7th game going on my phone if needed).

Since the Giants have Wilson as their starter and Dart has looked good so far, I think we should actually try to trade for Jameis If Bryce were to go down, he wouldn't be good enough to lead us to too many wins and screw up our draft position for a new QB next year. But at the same time, he has the arm to make any throw on the field, and thus he will be able to help keep up the development of our young WR room. Also, if we then suck, a team with Jameis and XL in the same locker room would be content gold, we'd be hilarious off the field at least. Genuinely don't know what their WR depth chart looks like, but maybe a Moore for Jameis trade before cut downs?

If he was truly a 2nd round talent, he'd have been drafted in the 2nd round. Yes, he partially fell because teams didn't want to deal with everything that comes with him, but at the same time, if he really was THAT good of a prospect, there are enough QB needy teams that someone would have taken him in that 2nd round. That he hasn't been able to clearly beat out Flacco, Pickett, and Gabriel also proves that he's really not a 2nd round talent, or he'd already have been named the starter.

Booooooo The team's site says you can do a free week trial of NFL+ to watch the game, but you go there and they don't seem to have a free trial. That sucks, really wanted to watch the starters get their 3 series

I genuinely don't understand why people want a different/better backup than Dalton. Nick Foles was a once in a blue moon thing to happen, 99.99% of the time, if your starting QB goes down, you're not winning the SB. With where this team is at, if Bryce goes down at any point in the season, we'd be better off losing from then on anyways, no matter how the season is going. If we're having a rough season before a Bryce injury, it means he probably wasn't playing great and losing for a higher draft pick to replace Bryce would be best. If we're having a good season before a Bryce injury, it means he's probably playing well and showing he could/should still be our QB of the future. Which again, at that point losing is probably best as you're not going to be a contender with any backup QB. So get a higher draft pick for a better player to help fill the remaining holes in the roster for 2026 when a healthy Bryce then can make us a true contender. THAT is also then where you go and get a better backup, when you have a chance at being a true contender, so if you need a backup to come in for a game or two, they're good enough to help keep you afloat while waiting for your starter to get healthy again. But with where this franchise is at right now, riding or dying with Bryce is the way to go, the best possible backup for him is a vet exactly like Dalton to help him with the off field stuff, not to be a great option if the starter goes down.

Let me set your mind at ease then, T-Mac is that guy you've been wanting, he's going to be a stud Top 10 WR who is in the discussion as a Top 5 guy during his prime. I'll also make this prediction, as a rookie, T-Mac will have more TDs than Pittman has had in any season in his career. He's had 6, 4 twice, 3, and 1 TD in his 5 seasons, I think T-Mac makes a serious push for 10 as a rookie, he's going to be a redzone monster with his size and hands.

It's not an answer to this, but just watched an interview with the guy who kicked the 70 yard FG and he said they changed the rules for the kicking footballs this year. In the past, they'd be given brand new balls a few hours before the game and that was all they had to break them in. Now they get them during the week so they get multiple days to wear them in a bit and it could/should allow for longer and more accurate kicking this year.

Well then it's a good thing we did get one of those elite talents in this draft, haha

Yep, as someone who's favorite team to follow is Arizona Basketball, the Portal and NIL have completely ruined the college game, it's unrecognizable. A player learning from the bench for a year to then get increased minutes the following 3 until they're a fan favorite senior just isn't a thing anymore and it's just depressing. It's getting frustrating to have to root for almost an entirely new team every season, they really need to tweak the Portal so you can't just have unlimited transfers without sitting out anymore. If you fix that to the old system or even just allowing one free transfer, it would go a long way.

Sure, but there are bad takes, and there was how hard I banged that T-Mac drum during the whole season and kept it up all offseason until the draft.

Well it's a good thing his final year was in the Big 12 then I guess

Neither can I, lol A. I'll never be able to show my face around these parts again, haha and B and more importantly... I'll be devastated if he ends up a bust for us. It sucked enough for me when Antoine Cason didn't work out for us, as he was an All American and Thorpe award winner at Arizona when I was there as we were both Freshman the same year, so I loved him. I couldn't imagine if my Arizona GOAT, who I'm so confident in becoming a star, didn't work out after we drafted him. But.... it's okay, because that's just not going to happen, my guy is a beast and is going to challenge Smitty for Panthers GOAT WR, LFG!!!!!!!!!

In many of the cases, it's been an equal split to both for a very specific reason We clearly spent a number of years following the old Al Davis method of drafting and looking for the unicorn athletes and hope we can coach them up to being great NFL players, and it clearly hasn't worked. So it was bad evaluating to fall in love with raw physical ability and then it was bad development to turn them into quality players, all around failure.