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I do think this is an underestimated reason for how we've looked the last few weeks. We got KC coming off their first loss and probably expecting us to be a cake walk and likely had a post-Buffalo hangover all week We also got Philly coming off a win on the road in Baltimore and the week before hosting the Steelers in Philly, talk about your classic trap game scenario. Yes we've improved the last few weeks, but I don't think it's 100% on us, I think some of it has been lack of proper motivation/focus from the other teams.

This game and the Jaguars will combine to go a long way in deciding where we end up drafting. If we lose this game and then lose out, we're picking no worse than 4th with a real shot at moving up higher. If we beat Dallas and then lose out (or lose to Dallas and then have an upset win), then the Jaguars will end up having a serious say in where we draft. As the 3 win Jags still play the 2 win Raiders, 3 win Titans, and 3 win Jets. All of those teams will likely have higher SOS than we will, so even if we get to 4 wins, we'll pick higher than all of those teams if we end up with the same records. Ideal scenario is we lose out, Raiders beat the Jags, nothing else matters and we're at worst picking 3rd. If we win a game, ideal scenario would be Jags beat Raiders and then lose to the Titans and Jets, as then we're still picking 5th at worst if the Browns lose out, if they win one (like a home game against Miami in week 17), we'd still be picking 4th even with a win in these final 4 games.

Because Hunter is going to be a CB at the next level. Or because T-Mac is a better WR than Hunter is. Take your pick

I disagree, he doesn't have the physical tools, his "potential" is severely limited because of that fact. Before these last few weeks he's been so bad that people are confusing serviceable with true franchise QB potential. He was the #1 overall pick and he's looking barely serviceable at the end of his 2nd season, that's not a good thing, he should have been looking like this from game 1 last year.

I love how Bryce looking like a barely serviceable, still below average NFL QB, is making people think he has shown he can be a franchise QB. You don't trade away multiple 1st round picks and your best offensive player for that. I said it before we even drafted him, his max potential was like 20th best QB in the league, too good to ever let walk in free agency but never good enough to actually be elite and lead you to SB contention. That was a year and a half ago before we even drafted him and I still don't think he can be that good, I'd drop it back now to maybe 25th best QB in the league. He might be a serviceable game manager, but he's never going to be an average QB in this league, he just doesn't have the physical traits to be so. He's looking halfway competent and putting up below average numbers, stop trying to pretend he's all of a sudden balling out.

YOU responded to MY post responding to someone else saying we should trade our 2026 1st for DK by saying how Bryce is the future. All I was saying was how no matter what you think about him right now, he hasn't shown near enough to make that trade. YOU inserted yourself into a separate discussion about trading that 1st for a WR. You can't then get upset at me pointing out how my post had nothing to do with Bryce's future in a vacuum but in regards to him not showing enough to trade that future 1st rounder this offseason so we can overpay a WR. You're basically saying that you can jump into the middle of a separate discussion with a completely irrelevant point, but if someone tries to steer it back to the original point, they're talking nonsense. You can just admit you didn't read my post and/or the post I was responding to and you jumped the gun on this one, it's okay, nobody is going to fault you for it.

And I've said we need that fast quick twitch slot guy as well, but if you draft Burden to be that guy, it still screws us over as we'd have a MASSIVE hole on the outside by still not having a true #1. And once you then spent back to back 1st rounders on WR, as well as having Coker, plus all the holes in our defense, you're not splashing in free agency to get an outside #1 or using another 1st rounder the following year to get one. So since you can get those quick twitch slot WRs in the middle rounds or in FA, you don't over draft one at the top of the 1st round just because we need one. And this isn't an argument for T-Mac, it's an argument about building up a complete roster, not forcing picks to fill a need despite it not being the right draft slot to do so.

Again, do you ever even read my posts or just see it's me and jump in there saying anything you want? Someone said to trade our 2026 1st for DK I responded to that saying Bryce hasn't shown near enough to give up our 2026 1st in a QB heavy draft. You jump in there saying Bryce is looking like the future. I respond reiterating that he hasn't shown near enough to trade our 26 1st, since that was my point initially. It's not hard to follow along man, just read.

In no way shape or form has Bryce shown anything near enough of being a franchise QB to trade away our 2026 1st round pick this offseason, that’s just a flat out stupid take.

If we trade our 2026 1st for a WR, then we're the dumbest franchise in the history of sports. Bryce isn't the future, no matter how much some people here want to believe he still has it in him. If we trade our 1st rounder in a QB loaded draft, for the right to give a $30 million contract to a WR, then we deserve all the bad things that happen to us.

I know I saw some say that in the offseason, not sure I've seen any rank him over either T-Mac or Hunter as of late (and I may be wrong, not like I've seen all the rankings). But either way, it's the same argument that I've been making for why T-Mac makes so much sense for us, but in reverse for Burden. We need an outside #1 WAY more than another slot dominant WR, and you can find the smaller quick twitch slot WRs in the middle rounds and in FA. We have so many holes, I can't see over drafting a slot WR when we have so many other holes.

Not with a Top 5 pick, and if we trade down, it's for an edge rusher that makes sense in that 10-12 range as opposed to the Top 5. Like the player, just don't like how he aligns with our draft position

There's no good answer here I've said numerous times I'm not touching Hunter even if he's there, and Burden is the next up in the draft, but he's a slot WR and not worth a Top 5 pick anyways, no way I'm taking him there (and if I'm trading back, I'm not doing it to take a WR, it's to get additional draft picks and taking an edge rusher at a draft slot that makes sense for the prospect). Not a fan of taking ANOTHER 2nd round WR and hoping they pan out, I'd say to target someone like a DK Metcalf who the Seahawks might not want to give a new contract to, but not like we have the right assets to even make a serious offer as there is no way in hell I'm giving up future 1st round picks. Overpay for Higgins? Even though I really don't want to use our cap room on offense. Go another year without a true #1? That feels like the final answer unfortunately

It’s a misleading stat As I also pointed out, the guy followed that tweet up by saying the next names on the list are some of the best young WRs in the league right now. That stat doesn’t mean he can’t get separation, it means he’s getting double and triple teamed all the time, and the lack of other quality options in that offense means the QB is constantly forcing the ball to him when he shouldn’t be. AND he still makes those contested catches because his hands and catch radius are so good.

We will have cap room and for the most part, the best free agents every year are on the defensive side of the ball because teams try not to let their offensive stars hit the open market. Drafting defense early in the draft won't have as much of an impact as adding T-Mac would, especially if we use all our cap room on the defense in free agency. If T-Mac is there, he's the pick, he's literally the best player/fit combo in the draft for this franchise and the current state of the roster. XL has potential but he's never going to be that true outside #1. The best defensive players in the draft are two CBs and a DT, the only positions on defense that we have potential pro bowl talent right now. None of the QB's in this draft make sense to go for after we made the Bryce mistake so recently and still have so many holes. We're set on the offensive line right now except Center, which obviously you don't use a Top 5 pick for. If we end up around 10, T-Mac isn't going to be there and it's the right place in this draft to go after an edge rusher, but if we're at about 5, T-Mac really needs to be the target.

Yea, seems like a tweet written to get interactions, as that follow up he made completely changes it. If he included those names in the first tweet, it would have entirely changed how people took it. Like I said, if you've watched every snap of his like I have, he has zero issue getting separation, his contested targets are because of the double/triple teams as well as the QB just forcing it to him when he is covered (as no WR gets open on EVERY route they run no matter how good they are). When a QB/WR combo in college have played together for literally the last 8 years of their lives and are best friends, as well as having no other receiving threats, you're going to see a lot of that QB just trusting his WR to make a play and chuck it up to him when he shouldn't. No, he's not a quick twitch athlete like a Tyreek and going to get separation in that same way, but as I've said every time people mention T-Mac's size and assume he's just a plodding big WR... he's not. He has MORE than enough speed and wiggle in his game to get the job done at an elite level in the NFL, he just also happens to be 6'5" with a catch radius the NFL hasn't seen since Calvin Johnson. And any "lack of separation" he might have compared to those 6' quick twitch speedsters, is negated by how great he is at making contested catches.

I also just went and looked at the actual tweet, he even followed it up by saying the next 4 names on the list if he kept it going would be Tee Higgins, Marvin Harrison Jr, George Pickens, Ja'Marr Chase and then shorty after that you have DK Metcalf, Brian Thomas Jr, and Drake London. So basing your opinion on T-Mac based on that initial tweet is obviously not exactly fair, as that number clearly can mean the player either can't get separation, or they're so good that the defense throws so many defenders at them that they rack up contested targets.

Go watch him play and tell me you think he has separation issues, because he doesn't. Like I said, I can't speak for those other players when they were in college, but I know separation isn't T-Mac's issue, it's the coverage and the lack of other options so the QB forces the ball to him even when he shouldn't. Having contested targets because of lack of separation and because of constant double (or triple) teams are two entirely different things. You can separate from your initial defender all you want, but when 90% of your routes have safety help over the top and/or linebacker help underneath, even when you separate from the CB, there is still someone else there to contest the pass, which he still makes the catch most of the time anyways. It can't be forgotten that T-mac and his QB are best friends and have been playing together since they were in the 8th grade. He's the ultimate safety valve for our QB and it shows during games, any time he has to scramble in the pocket (which is often), he chucks it up to T-Mac no matter how many defenders are around him, which racks up those contested target numbers.

Why did this guy end the tweet with "Yikes" as if this is a bad stat just because those other players haven't become anything in the NFL? I'm not as familiar with those other guys' college games, maybe they had so many contested targets because they weren't great route runners and separating, but T-Mac's is because he's is CONSTANTLY double and even triple teamed and Fifita has been forcing passes to him because there is nobody else to pass to. And yet he still is coming down with the ball most of the time To me, this is just another feather in his cap for why he's such an elite prospect.

Dude, cmon now First, Deion isn't an NFL coach, his style of talking to the players and motivating them won't work in the NFL with grown men making 10's of millions of dollars like it does in a college locker room with a handful of guys making decent NIL and the rest kids with a couple of bucks in their pocket. Second, it would be the DUMBEST thing of all time for a team to hire Deion and then draft Shedeur. Especially in a division with the HC/QB combinations that KC, LA, and Denver have and how hard it's going to be to be a yearly contender in that division. You're going to have to fire Deion at some point, it's very rare for HC's these days to last over 10 years in a position unless they are a multiple SB winner. Especially when you have a pretty weak roster that isn't built to immediately contend, even if you hit on the QB. How are you going to fire Deion and expect to be able to keep Shedeur from revolting and demanding a trade? It's just an ugly situation that is easily avoidable by keeping your HC or hiring anyone else.

Except it's actually the opposite. Betting and Fantasy Football are the exact reasons that the NFL is what it is today. They're the direct reason for the exploding viewership numbers the last 20 years and thus the explosion of the media contracts which fund the league and it's teams. You can make the argument that it has ruined the experience for some portion of fans who don't care about it, but it's what has built the league into the monster it is today.

Coker can definitely play in the slot, but I also think he could more of an outside WR than Thielen ever could be. If we can draft T-Mac, I actually don't hate the idea of Coker being the other outside WR with XL mostly lining up in the slot. No, he's not that quick shifty type of slot, but he thrives over the middle and putting the ball in his hands to make plays after the catch, which is something great slot WR's do. I'd love to see us try and get mist-matches with XL's size matched up on nickel package DB's and see if we can take advantage of that as the safety help will be shading towards T-Mac. XL could eat all game long if he gets 1 on 1 coverage by nickel DBs. He'd need to work on his route running a bit to me more crisp in his cuts, but I think it could give us some nice opportunities with him lining up there.

someone still can't make a coherent argument for or against players based on football specific traits and how they translate to the next level lol

Interesting, don't remember hearing about either of them, but they are pretty old at this point so maybe I had and just forgot over the years since then. Maybe would need to look into it more, but I don't know, if it's not a player we're trying to build our future around and it's not something most people even remember these days, not sure if it's the type of thing that would make me want to not sign him for this type of situation. If there was some strong evidence out there that he did something terrible, other than just settlements, maybe it would be different. Like Tyreek, I'd never be okay with him on the Panthers because there is that audio clip out there of him arguing with his wife/GF and saying how she and their son should be afraid of him and what not. But again, first I'm seeing this, so don't know the details and only skimmed the articles. As like you said, we don't know the history of all our players, in fact, I'd bet at least one player on our team has done some pretty awful stuff in the past (and I'd probably say that about every team these days, this league is filled with a bunch of questionable character people) and we just don't know it.

Oh of course it would be great to have that guy, but the point is we have guys on the roster who we like their potential and could turn into that type of player. Most teams really only have 4 playable WRs, maybe a 5th, with a 6th who might be a returner. If we already have XL, Coker, maybe still Thielen and then hopefully T-Mac, getting a Thielen replacement to learn from him wouldn't make as much sense from an overall roster building standpoint than getting a smaller, speedier, quick twitch, type of slot WR instead. There's lots of types of players we'd love to have, but in a given offseason, you can only fill so many holes, I think that quick twitch guy is more of a need to get for next season than another Thielen type given our current roster, that's all.