tukafan21

So we're either paying a backup RB $10 million a year or we wasted trading up for a 2nd round pick to be the backup RB Either way it turns out, one of them was a beyond stupid decision, just lovely.

If he was a vet or had 3 years of full playing time in college, it would be different, I'd lean more on the side of caution. But this is someone who now over the last 4 years, has really only played in games for one of them as he had 51 combined carries his first two years in college. If he wants to reach his potential, he needs reps and he needs them this year, he can't miss another year without meaningful game snaps. The knee is structurally sound at this point being a year out from injury and today's tech/rehab capabilities. Sure his lack of game shape could lead to pulled muscles or something, but it's not going to put him at risk of a more serious injury to give him 10-15 carries right out of the gate. Also, we need see what he's got, to know if he's going to be able to handle a 3 down role next year before the offseason. Because if he can, then we shouldn't be re-signing Hubbard as he's earned a decent contract from someone next year. We can't give that out to a guy who will end up being a backup to someone on a rookie deal, it's a place we can save money to spend elsewhere for a few years, as we could get a much cheaper backup option in free agency or even draft someone else in like the 5th round to be his backup and really save money at the position.

Sure, I’ve been saying we needed to trade Johnson since like week 3ish It doesn’t change that we made a bad trade in the end

Even if they win it all and we have the #1 pick, it would still be about 10 picks because of the compensatory picks But it still was a terrible trade, just sayin, it’s probably going to end up about a dozen or so picks better, not that it means anything at that point in the draft anyways.

The Titans got a 5th that turns into a 4th if they make the SB for Hopkins Hopkins… Deandre freaking Hopkins LOL

We moved up like a dozen picks in the draft and paid off almost the rest of his salary this season at the same time, for probably the best WR who was left on the market this season It was an awful trade

Basically this trade is what I’d have expected to get for Johnson and the Johnson trade is what I’d have expected for Mingo So maybe just call it a wash and not be upset about the awful return we got for Johnson? lol

Also to the people who think he wants out and we should try and trade for him again. DJ = XL Sure, XL isn't to DJ's level yet of course, but it's about style of play and how they'd be used, they're both that strong physical WR who are most effective getting the ball in their hand and letting them try and make plays and break tackles. And in fact, I think XL has higher upside in that type of being used because he's a bit bigger and stronger than DJ is, so if he pans out, he'll be even more effective in that role than DJ has been, but he still has to develop and get there of course. We don't need another one of those, we need a true outside #1 to compliment Legette moving forward.

But the QB wouldn't have any way of knowing he stepped out of bounds, so if he stayed on the field, there's every possibility that Caleb would have thrown to him. Particularly as the defender would have also seen him step out, a smart defender would then just leave him to go help cover someone else, as he'd know that any pass to DJ there would lead to a penalty anyways, why bother covering him anymore and take yourself out of the play as well.

Anyone who thinks he walked off the field mid play doesn't know football, that was a very vet savvy move. He accidentally stepped out of bounds so he made sure he was nowhere near Caleb's line of sight because he couldn't catch a pass anyways. Literally saw the same thing with Hunter Henry on that wild Maye play and people were praising it, but here they think it means he's unhappy, lol

I'm hoping we trade him, as it doesn't make much sense to re-sign him, Brooks is going to be a 3 down back for us next year. In FA we can find a big bruiser to be his backup and possible short yardage back to take some pounding off Brooks, but if we expect him to pan out, there is no reason to give a FA contract to an RB who is earning a halfway decent pay day next year with his play so far this year. We are going to have the money to spend in FA that we're not going to get any comp pics back for anyone who leaves anyways, Hubbard, Clowney, and Thielen all should be moved.

So, Bryce aint that guy, he's just flat out never going to be a franchise QB Because of that, I'm in the camp of trading him right now before he plays another snap and hurts his value anymore. But the more I think about it, while I don't think it would happen, if he somehow did show improvement the rest of the year to where they decide to give him one last chance next year, even if we likely still kept losing along the way. That could give us that Top 5 pick, and if we're giving Bryce one more year, T-Mac would absolutely be the most logical draft pick we could make, as it would give him that perfect outside true #1 he hasn't had yet to see if it helps him turn a corner. If you could somehow guarantee the above scenario played out, I'd be perfectly fine watching Bryce screw up again next year if it got my guy on the Panthers for the decade following that, LOL. Having said that, he's a bum, playing him more will only hurt his stock, just trade him tomorrow morning for whatever the best offer is.

No, we need to trade him immediately while teams still want him and maybe will give up a little more because he didn't look entirely lost out there. There's no circumstance where he turns into a franchise QB, just get what we can and move on from this abysmal trade and subsequent draft pick.

You're talking about two different things though If Deion is behind his open campaigning for himself for Heisman, that wouldn't surprise me and in the end, I'd get it, they're trying to win the Heisman. But his openly talking about expecting a two-way player in the NFL, that's not going to help him, so I can't see how Deion would be telling him to do that as a marketing ploy. If he were saying things like, "I think I can be a 2 way player at the next level, but I'm going to start by focusing on one side of the ball to be the best I can be, and then if I get the opportunity to do both, I'm going to take it" then it would be helping him look better. But by just saying he expects to be a full time 2 way player, he's only hurting himself as GM's may do what I'm doing, and question what his mindset will be when he can't do both. If I'm being honest, I think Deion is actually behind making him think he can do both at the next level. Deion did it a little bit and I think part of his own ego is the thought of coaching up the next guy to try it and getting him to succeed at doing it. Talk up your NCAA two way play as a marketing ploy for the Heisman = Totally fine Talk up being a 2 way NFL player as a marketing ploy for the draft = Delusion

I mean, as recently as a few weeks ago he was saying he was going to play both sides of the ball full time in the NFL, it's why guys like Sauce started saying how there's no way it could actually be done at that level. I genuinely think he believes he can and expects to play both sides of the ball full time in the NFL, as of right now at least, we'll see if he changes his tune during the pre-draft process. I'd had these concerns for a month or so now as he's been complaining on podcasts, but I told myself that's what kids do these days, just go on podcasts and complain. It's him flying across the country on his bye to go on the morning gamely shows so he could do it there in person that has my red flag alarm going crazy right now. And in the last few days is when those videos of him "stealing" things from Deion started showing up. The whole thing with him and Deion just rubs me the wrong way too. It's great for a HC and his players to get along, but they're way too buddy buddy and I wonder what he'll be like when he's not treated like a quasi-son by his NFL HC.

Oh I'm more than considering that, I've said many times on here lately that part of why I don't think he can be a WR in the NFL is because of his rail thin frame and he's already dealt with injuries each of his 3 years in college because of that combined with the beating he's taking playing both sides of the ball. All of it is why he NEEDS to end up on one side or the other. But again, that's where my concern is, when a team forces that on him, he could end up becoming a locker room cancer because he doesn't like it. Particularly if he's a CB and that team's offense is struggling, he won't like it and he'll be a diva about it. He's being a total diva about being the #2 player in Heisman betting odds while getting to play both sides. What's he going to be like when he's stuck on a 4-13 team, playing CB, while his offense is putting up 10 points a game?

Oh, and yes, it's cart before the horse to discuss it before it comes to it, but it's something that needs to be considered before drafting him, as I think it's all very legitimate as he wants to play both sides. To not discuss it internally as to how he'll respond if you don't allow it, would be the front office not doing their job.

Ahh I got you, wasn't thinking about rookie deal, was thinking more the rest of his career. But, if he were to be playing both ways and successfully, there would be a ZERO percent chance he ever could be franchise tagged. If he's doing that, do you really think any agent would let him show up to even camp, let alone real games, without a long term deal done before he ever reaches free agency? No chance You either pay him or he holds out until you then pay him or trade him. And if you did ever franchise tag him, if he was playing both sides of the ball full time, I think the NFLPA would take people to court if they tried to say he only deserves the tag on one side, and honestly, they'd have a fair and legitimate argument there. I think it's moot because I don't think he can play both sides, but just sayin'

See, that's not it with me either, that kinda stuff was rare back in Deion's day, but it's par for the course now. To me, it's not even that he's been campaigning for himself, it's how he's been doing it. He keeps talking about his impact on both sides of the ball and how nobody has done it like that before. Even if it's true (as the closest was Woodson who didn't play near as much on offense as is), to me it's just more proof about his true desires to do it in the NFL too. It's not like it's new, he's been saying for his whole college career that he expects to play both sides of the ball in the NFL. I'd be worried how he handles not getting to do that, especially if he's a CB and that team's offense is struggling. I think he would turn into a locker room problem when he's not then being used full time both ways and be quite disgruntled about it, just look how upset he is right now while doing both and not being considered the clear Heisman front runner.

Well no, if he was a legit starting CB and WR, especially if he's playing up to his potential on both sides, he absolutely would get paid as such. No, maybe he doesn't get the full salary of an elite WR and CB combined, but he'll get significantly more than anyone else at either position. Again, I don't think he will be able to do that, nor would a team let him, but for the sake of discussion, I do think a team would pay him an absurd number if he's able to do both.

Yep, it's a serious red flag to me about his motivations. He's made it clear for years that he wants to be a 2 way player in the NFL. His complaining about not being the Heisman front runner on podcasts lately, pointing specifically to his two way play, has just been weird in itself. Flying out for Gameday to do it in person on your bye week, that's next level weird. Let your school, your fans, even your coaches talk you up for the Heisman. You can even answer questions about it when asked by the media. But this is a step too far and really has me questioning what happens if he doesn't get his way in the NFL to play both sides full time. Even just the tweets lately showing him "stealing" shoes from Deion's office, or "stealing" his car from his ranch. I get it, he's just having some fun with his HC, but it's again something we've never seen before. Something about it is just off putting to me and wonder what will happen to him once he's outside that Deion bubble.

https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/colorado-travis-hunter-big-noon-kickoff-college-gameday.html Really? I know he's been complaining on podcasts the last few weeks about not being the Heisman front runner, but now he's flying to Penn State on his bye week to be in person for Gameday so he can campaign for himself for Heisman. Look, the kid is supremely talented, I've said I think he's the most sure thing on the defensive side of the ball in this draft class. But I'm dead serious, I'm starting to get to the point where I might not even have him on my draft board come draft day. I'm just not sure he's ever going to be happy not being a full time two way player in the NFL, and I don't think a single team would ever entertain it. His best case scenario for being a two way player at the next level is being a CB who gets 3-5 snaps on offense a game to see if he can make an explosive play, and even half of those he's just going to be out there as a decoy. For me, it's all going to come down to the things he says in the months leading into the draft, more so than any other player I can remember. If he keeps pushing to be a 2 way player, he's off my board, because i don't think he's ever going to have the right mind set and a disgruntled star is going to be a locker room problem and then leave in FA or force their way out in a trade. Let someone else deal with that headache, we don't have the roster or locker room to deal with that situation if it plays out like that, and I think there is a very real chance it will once a team tries to make him play one side of the ball. And before someone says it, this has NOTHING to do with my love of T-Mac or anything like that. I literally last night said he's probably #2 on my board, but seeing this today has those questions creeping back into my head about his mindset. I haven't like this complaining about this on podcasts lately, but him flying across the country to do it in person on Gameday takes it to another level and really makes me question what his mindset will be in the NFL if he doesn't get to play both ways.

Yes, but he also basically only played one season in college too So in the last 4 seasons of football for him so far, he's basically only played one year. He needs snaps this year to make sure he doesn't regress before we ever actually get to fully roll him out there next year.