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Oh, and on top of this, with NIL these days, I think if anything, Arch would be more likely to pull a Luck on us and go back to school if we had the #1 pick than try and pull an Eli.

I think people are making too much of this idea. Even for as revered as the Manning family is, if they're really the only ones to do that since John Elway, and do it twice, then a lot of people will turn on them in the football community. I think if social media was what it is today, when Eli was drafted, that wouldn't have gone over like it did, social media would have a field day with it. Plus, if we're smart and draft a true #1 WR with our first rounder this year, I think that alone could be very attractive to Arch and the family with already having that at his disposal. Eli and his dad didn't force their way out of SD because they were just a mess of a franchise, it was because at the time everyone knew the ownership wasn't really all that interested in trying to win, they just wanted to make money off the NFL team they owned. And despite all the dumb decisions Tepper has made, nobody can argue that he's just in it for the money, all he wants to do is win, and I think that would be a key difference to the Manning clan than with what happened with the Chargers and Eli back in the day.

No Wait a year and draft the better Texas QB who is going to be 10x the NFL QB than Ewers ever could dream to be

I don’t want to take a QB in this draft, I want the #1 pick so we can hopefully trade back 5 spots or so and pick up additional draft assets to fill all those holes

We can’t even suck properly Going to end up with like the 5th pick now because of it and just screw ourselves over, yet again

Thank god that game was over, it was hard to watch those two QB's playing against each other after today. Really only just had it on in the background wasn't really paying too much attention.

I'm still not even sure of that, we gave up A LOT for that pick, especially when you factor in using some of the assets from the CMC trade as part of it too. Stroud is clearly going to be good, but had you thrown him into the mess we still had last year around Bryce, there's no guarantee he'd have played near as well and a bad first couple of years can tank a QB's chances.

He means pre-season, nobody was saying Daniels was going to be a Heisman winner and/or be the #1 QB taken in the draft had there not been a Williams there too. But even that doesn't happen too often, when they say it's a down class, there usually isn't going to be a guy who explodes to be a no brainer at #1.

Okay, so two QB's in the last 15 drafts have come from nowhere to being taken in the Top 2, and both happened in a year that had an elite pre-season QB prospect (Tua to Burrow and Williams to Daniels). There could be a future HOFer in next year's class, you never know how these things play out, but every draft expert has been saying since even last year, that the 2025 QB class wasn't looking stellar, unless you fell for the Shedeur hype bullshit

If we're not rolling Bryce out there for slaughter again next season, I'd rather try and trade for like a Joe Milton from NE and just start him for the year and see if we get lucky and strike oil. If not, then we'll be right there in the Arch sweepstakes anyways. I'm just firmly against drafting someone next year, our roster is too void of talent, using another 1st round pick and putting a questionable QB prospect into that situation again is just asking for trouble, need to build up the team properly for once.

It's pretty rare for a Burrow to come out of nowhere to be a clear cut #1 QB in the draft. Cam actually might have been the last one before him to do that, and even then, that was just because he had to go play JUCO for a year, had he been a starter in D1 as a Sophomore, he'd have been right there with Luck as the top pre-season QB's in college that year

I've advocated for trading back, but have never said a "haul" because I know nobody is giving that up with this QB class, if that were the case, we'd just take the player. But just looking at the 2025 QB situations, there might just be such a dearth of teams looking for a new QB in the offseason that there isn't even the ability to get ANY trade offers for #1 unless someone falls in love with a non QB that they just have to draft. My preference would be to try and trade back to the 4-6 range to hopefully pick up a single future 1st, but even that seems lofty expectations in this draft class, and then take our first choice WR (my preference has clearly been shown as T-Mac of course). Get that true #1 WR in the draft this year and then draft a new QB in 2026 who steps in with a 2nd year stud already to throw to and hope we have a great duo for the next decade because of it.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they would be very against that. Even with the great relationship Eli has with the franchise, I can't see them wanting to have to play in his Uncle's looming shadow while also dealing with the NYC media and fan base on top of it. The kid has enough pressure on him already, playing for the Giants, Colts, or Broncos would be very tough for him to do I think

Most of the league is pretty set at their 2025 starting QB right now, whether it be their starter right now or a situation like the Patriots or Falcons, where they already have their future QB as their backup. I could see scenarios play out where any of the Titans, Rams, Dolphins, Saints, Seahawks, Jets are looking for new QBs, but they seem really remote and/or they'd be picking too far back in the draft for it to be worth us trading back. Steelers and Browns both seem very likely to be looking for new QBs next year, but again, both seem unlikely to be picking in the Top 10 in the end. Really just leaves the Giants and Raiders as teams I think could be looking for new QBs in 2025 and have Top 10 picks. But they're more likely to learn from our mistake and not want to give up a haul to trade up in a weak QB draft. We basically would need to be #1, have the Giants at #2, and then the Raiders or another surprising QB needy team to be inside the Top 5 to have any leverage in getting a good return. If not that, we'd need someone else in the Top 10 to be as big of rubes as we were and give up something stupid to move up to #1 when there wasn't a clear top QB and/or threat of another team trading into the pick.

Anyone who seriously tries to defend saying that wasn't PI, either doesn't know the rules of football and/or are just complete Chiefs haters. "two players going for the ball" isn't when the defender goes through the offensive player's back to try and get to the ball, it never has been and it never will be. Call that with 1 second left in the SB against the Panthers and there is still nothing to argue about except the defender being an idiot and giving the game away.

He knows he’s a bust and every time he steps on the field it makes him look even worse cant really blame him for feeling this way, if he played any other position he would at least just be buried on the depth chart until getting cut, but you can’t do that with a #1 pick QB

This is yet again why firing Reich was a bad idea We can’t fire another coach after one season, no matter how bad this year goes, Canales isn’t going anywhere. Should have just sucked with Reich again so we could fire him and bring in a new coach next year to start the re-build from the ground up. We can’t even be terrible the right way

Well the Vikings aren't a team who will give up a solid pick for him, but I think there are numerous teams with SB aspirations that could want him. Top 2 that come to mind for me are KC and Philly, particularly with KC losing Hollywood for the year this week and the AJ Brown currently banged up for the Eagles too. Both teams who are in win now mode, I think one of them could give up somewhere in the 3-5 round range, depending if there are multiple suitors and can get someone to bid up for him.

Nah, it was the worst pick all on it's own, even before factoring in the trade Russell is the only one who could compete with it, but at least with him, they took someone with a big arm and some solid physical traits. It's not even close, Bryce is the biggest bust in NFL draft history, the trade just makes it one of the worst draft picks of all time, of any sport, it's THAT bad

This isn't DJ or CMC, he's 34 and won't be on the roster next season, what good is he doing on this team when he could bring us back a mid round pick from a contender wanting to make a run this year? I'd literally take a 7th rounder for him at this point just because it's something, which is better than the nothing we'll get in return for him being a cap cut this offseason.

Yes and it was entirely predictable, every fan could see it, front offices over think everything and believe they're smarter than they really are

Yep, off the top of my head there are a number of teams I think could be interested and would give up like a 4th rounder for him Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Cowboys, Eagles, Lions, and probably a few others would love to get a steady slot presence like him. I'd make this move first thing tomorrow if I'm the FO

He's a player who can help a contending franchise right now, I'm sure there are a number of teams that would give up a mid round pick for him to help them make a run this year. We need more draft assets anyways and he's just going to be wasted here the rest of this year and likely not be brought back next year anyways, get something for him while we can.

Bryce at QB isn't keeping our WRs from creating even an inch of separation Bryce at QB isn't making our OL act like turnstiles to allow pass rushers through. Replacing Bryce with Dalton doesn't fix our issues, the only thing it can do is hurt our draft position. We've spent years trying to patch the holes of a sinking boat instead of just actually trying to do a real re-build. Every year we keep trying to patch that sinking ship instead of just building a new one, we set ourselves back even further. This is the worst franchise in the NFL since the mid 2000's Lions, it's that bad right now. Wanting to win some meaningless games is just dumb.

They are? Who? Dionte Johnson? The player who the team widely regarded as the best at identifying WR talent over the last couple decades decided to give up on and trade him for a player we were going to cut anyways? Mingo or Legette who haven't lived up to their draft expectations? Hubbard or Sanders? LOL Thielen is our best player on offense and he's on the wrong side of 30 with only a year or so left of being a useful player. Yes Bryces drags everyone down, but he's dragging down the worst roster in the league to just being worse, even with a halfway competent QB, we have a garbage roster right now. Benching Bryce doesn't fix that, it just hurts out draft position to fix the problems in the future.