tukafan21

It's amazing how people still refuse to accept that the Lamar thing went down the way it did for two reasons. First is that no team really wanted to give up the draft capital as well as give out the huge contract for someone who wasn't able to finish the previous two seasons. Second and more importantly, it was a poorly kept secret in the league that the Ravens were going to match any deal made to Lamar. Because of that, nobody wanted to waste their time negotiating a difficult contract with Lamar, just for the Ravens to match it and then not get Lamar. The Ravens were trying to use another team to deal with the negotiations, when nobody wanted to be their sucker, they finally just got a deal done with him. It was a win-win for them, either someone else did the deal for them, or they couldn't and it then likely lowered his asking price a tad bit because it made the market for him seem worse.

Same as always, me not wanting him has nothing to do with his ability to scheme offenses. It's that no players like to play for him That's not a problem for coordinators, particularly when they have a HC that the players would take a bullet for (like Reid or Ron), but it doesn't work for a HC unless you're a Belichek, or else you turn out like a Josh McDaniels.

Your argument makes sense from an outside perspective. These coaches are just like the players, they have the mentality that they are great at what they do and they aren't going to fail, particularly if you give them the right players. Look what he's done with Goff, you give him someone like Herbert in LA, and he's going to 100% believe he can be successful. It's not like he'd be making peanuts by taking that job compared to ours either. He'll take the 40 million over the 80 in your scenario and bet on himself that he's going to succeed and get a second contract and long HC career, 100 out of 100 times. Also... your logic is flawed, as he won't have to work 10 years to make what he'd make in 1 year. First being if we land someone like Johnson, there's no scenario that he's fired after year 1 and likely no scenario that he's fired after year 2 either. Second, he doesn't get all that money right when he'd be fired, it's still payed out over the length of the contract. So even if we use your argument that the got fired here after 1 year, he's still getting paid annually, same as if he's coaching another team. So realistically your argument would be that he'd have to work an extra 4-5 years after his 1st contract to make up the difference that he'd have made here. Again, it's about whether he wants to bet on himself to be successful as a HC, if he thinks he'll be successful elsewhere, it's not a big bet to go that route over taking the early money here knowing he'll have a much lower chance at success given the state of this roster/franchise.

Trust me, I've never made excuses for Bryce this year, I think he's a complete bust and we're going to be drafting his replacement in 2025. But in that kind of weather, even the best QB's of all time sometimes have the ball slip out of their hand as they're throwing a pass. And I only saw the pass once, didn't see a replay, but to me on an initial glance, it just looked like the ball slipped as he was throwing it, not his noodle arm throwing up a dead duck like does plenty of other times all on his own. Sometimes there are just legitimate reasons for something happening, not finding excuses for them.

I'm as big a Bryce basher as anyone else on here, particularly over his noodle arm. But can't really fault him for throws like that on a day like today, that wasn't because of his noodle arm, even he can make that throw in normal conditions, seemed pretty clear to me that it was the rain that caused it to slip out of his hand as he threw it.

Sure, but then when he fails because Bryce is garbage, he'll never get another HC job again and will be a QB coach and/or OC making peanuts compared to HC's. If he takes half the money but goes to the Chargers where he has a franchise QB and other pieces and becomes a consistent winner, he'll end up making so much more money in his career. The guy is only 37, I don't think he wants to get paid for the next 5-7 years, he wants to be a HC for the next 25-30 years.

Seems dumb to worry about this, Bill doesn’t have many years left coaching, he’s not going to a situation like this one and need to do an entire rebuild

We can only hope The more he wants out of Carolina, the more reasonable he’ll be on his contract demands, and thus the more a team will be willing to give up for him in a tag and trade

Is it bad that I honestly don't remember? 2019 feels like it would be the obvious one, but I think the real answer is 2016, and everything since then has just felt snake bitten and with a grain of salt.

This It's why we won't have a shot with someone like a Mike Evans, a contending team will offer him close to whatever we could offer him, he's not taking a couple extra million to suck with us vs contending for another ring. We can go after guys coming off rookie contracts who want to cash in, or vets around 30 who think they can sign a 1 year deal with a team like us so they can start, and hope to showcase themselves into signing a deal with a contender in 2025. Top 2 WRs on the market should be Higgins and Ridley, who will both be tagged, with Higgins being traded while the Jags will be trying to sign Ridley long term. Next best would probably be Pittman, who will be in the same category as Ridley, tagged to keep, not trade. In my opinion, our top option should be looking at trying to trade for Aiyuk as the Niners won't be able to sign him long term and likely will have to trade him this offseason while they still can.

BPA that is a DL, G, or CB While I'd love a WR, we need to fix that problem through a trade or free agency, can't "waste" another 2nd rounder on someone who isn't going to be able to be an immediate impact player from day 1. Also need a pass catching TE, but not sure I want to use the first pick of the 2nd round there, more likely with our 3rd. Wouldn't hate a LB either, but just doubt the value will be there compared to those other positions where there should be better options than a LB.

I still think Bienemy is the most likely solution since he’s a good offensive mind and he knows nobody else wants to hire him so this might be his only shot at a HC job. He’ll be the most accomplished person Tepper interviews and it will be hard for him to go another direction when nobody decent has interest. It will backfire and before the end of the 2024 season there will already be reports about the entire locker room hating him. he’ll then get fired a month into 2025 and the locker room will celebrate just like the Raiders did when they got rid of McDaniels

Nah, not starting him over Mac There isn't a single week 1 starter in the league that Bryce would start over based on the way he's played so far this year, he's been the worst QB in the league in a season that has had Zach Wilson get benched for some players I can't even name.

I said it's not THE problem, not that it wasn't A problem. The height doesn't help, but if he at least had some physical traits that were even above average, it wouldn't be as big of a problem. Kyler's height isn't a factor because he has a rocket for an arm and is extremely fast/quick, Bryce just doesn't have that to him.

Tuned them out a while ago. Don't get me wrong, I still love the Panthers and always will, but they're just not worth me caring about them right now. Not when my two other teams I follow the most right now are about to be ranked #1 in the nation tomorrow (Arizona Basketball) and sitting in 2nd place in their league (Wrexham AFC). And thank god for those two teams or my sporting fandom would be hell right now, but they give me something to be happy about through hopefully April of next year if things go well.

His height isn't the problem, it's his lack of any even average physical traits for an NFL QB, every physical trait of his is below average to bad. It's clear the game moves too fast for him compared to college, and I don't mean mentally, I mean physically. He doesn't have the arm to get the ball to the spot before the defender, he doesn't have the quickness needed to evade the rush at this level, and he sure as hell doesn't have the strength to break away from defenders when they get a hand on him. Yes, he can be a serviceable starting QB in this league with the right team around him, but that's his max potential. That's the type of guy who bounces around from team to team as an occasional starter or high end backup, not someone you trade away your future to take at #1 overall. It was a mistake, the sooner people realize it, the easier it will be for them to cope with it. Trying to compare it to past bad rookie seasons for great players who had numerous WOW moments in each game, when Bryce hasn't had 1 all season, is just poorly flawed.

More like a franchise killer, especially for anyone who trades a haul to move up to take him, oh wait.......

No you don't, it will just be wasting our time when we could spend it on someone more realistic. Evans is either staying in TB or going somewhere to try and chase another ring, he's not just going to sign with the highest bidder.

You mean the combine Bryce did everything at his pro day, but since he didn't throw back to back with the other QB's at the combine, his lack of an even average arm was kept hidden enough to fool people into thinking he could make it in this league.

WOW Instead of taking the easy pass for the first down, he directs Thielen down the field and then throws up a dead duck. But sure, tell me about how he has an adequate arm

There would be ZERO interest in us for Evans. The guy is a first ballot HOFer who is looking at his last chance at a payday, if he leaves TB, he's getting paid no matter where he goes. At his age, if he leaves the franchise he's played his whole career with, it's to chase another ring, not get paid to lose.

Exactly There is no reason that ball shouldn't have been out further for him to run under it in stride, not like it was THAT deep of a pass, but ole mr noodle arm can only do so much. Even if "good plays" aren't that good. Yes, a lot needs to be fixed around him and he can improve as well, but he's not a franchise QB and he's never going to be.

What world are you living in that you honestly can say it wasn't talked about?!?!?!?! Seriously, talk about living in a made up reality

It was widely talked about but brushed aside because it was "adequate enough to work with his super brain" Not a single scout or analyst ever said he had an even above average arm, I'd doubt many even said "average" as I bet "adequate" was the best adjective ever used to describe his arm, which is just the polite way of saying "not good" when talking about someone many think should be the #1 overall pick.

And that's my point, you can fix a lot of things, you can't fix a noodle arm on someone who is 5'10" and 200 lbs if soaking wet with cans of soup in his pockets. And saying "bottom half" is very generous, even if you want to find others with weak arms to debate who has the weakest, there aren't even 5 starting QB's you could find to put into that discussion with a straight face.