tukafan21

What planet are you living on? Last year after his suspension he killed it until Kyler got hurt, his per game averages would have come out to 120 catches for 1,350 yards in a 17 game season. 2021 wasn't great, but still, when he's been on the field, he's still an elite level WR. No, maybe he's not a Top 3 WR in the league anymore, but he's absolutely Top 20 at worst and still probably pushing Top 10 if he's fully healthy. He still has some of, if not THE, best hands in the NFL, he catches almost anything in his radius

I'd say a very hard pass on Evans, but I'd actually go the other way on Godwin and overdraft him if in a PPR league, he's a beast in that format and I think he'll be Baker's safety valve all year long.

Love it! Priority #1 this offseason is getting Bryce up to speed, practicing against one of the top defenses from last season is only going to help with that, smart move by Reich.

If we took Mahomes, he wouldn't be Mahomes. Rivera would have ruined him just like he did Cam, he refused to let Cam loose, he clearly would have done the same with Mahomes and his career never would have taken off like it did with an innovative offensive play caller like Reid.

No chance, none of the Florida teams make any sense. Dolphins have Tyreek and Waddle, Bucs have Evans and Godwin, Jags have Ridley and Kirk. I think most likely situation is that he signs a cheap 1 year deal with KC to try and win a SB with Mahomes and then goes for a bigger contract next summer. At which point, if Bryce has a good rookie season, we would make a lot of sense for him to come back home and take Chark's roster spot.

I'll do a single piece of american cheese on a burger, but really only if it's a bacon cheeseburger to help mask the cheese taste, preferably with BBQ sauce too. Also will have pizza with it as long as it's not overly cheesy or else I have to take the cheese off and save with tacos, but that has to be even lighter cheese than pizza. That's really it for me with what I'll eat cheese with/on, used to eat Mac and Cheese every so often but not really even that anymore. When I was in 1st or 2nd grade I was eating one of those personal pizzas at lunch, part way thru the cheese all fell off, like most kids I just ate all the cheese. Was too much cheese, gagged on it and threw up all over the lunch table. For a while after that anything cheesy made me gag (and still do), so I stopped eating it and then completely lost any liking of the taste of it over time.

Really only downsides to him doing that He's Cam Newton, he'd be expected to go out there and win MVP while leading his team to the championship easily, so even in doing so, he'd really gain nothing out of it. If he did anything less than that, even if not his fault, teams would say he doesn't have it anymore and nobody would give him a chance. It also would be risky for his health, you'd get some of those players wanting to make a name for themselves by putting a big hit on Cam and it could lead to some over-aggression and some bad late hits.

I can't remember, did we ever have 3 QB's on the active 53 man roster last year or was one of them always on the IR until Baker was traded? I do think we'll still keep Corral this year though because of this and part of it is because of Chinn, with him, we can easily carry 1 less defensive player somewhere as he can really play so many positions if needed.

Cheese is terrible

It was the first day of OTA's, there isn't a single QB in the league who is taking 100% of the first team reps in OTA's, or even in training camp, you have to get the backup reps with the first team in camp since they won't get any during the regular season unless the starter needs a day off in practice to rest an injury. He took the majority of the snaps with the first team, he's literally only the QB2 in name and first snap of practice only right now, besides that he's already the QB1 and even Dalton admits as such. The real question isn't if he'll start week 1 or even when he'll be officially given the QB1 label, it's whether or not the team will vote him as a Captain in his rookie year. Normally I'd say that is 50/50, but seeing as we replaced our entire offensive lineup outside of the OL, I think he has a great chance at getting voted by the team. I think on offense, Moton is the only player locked in as a Captain, after that, Young is probably the only player that makes complete sense to be in the running, who else would be? Bozeman, Ickey, and Thielen maybe?

It didn’t have the votes yet so they pulled it from this years rule change possibilities https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/03/nfl-owners-adopt-several-rule-changes-table-emergency-qb-proposal-from-lions.html?outputType=amp

That was a proposed rule change that didn't pass the owner vote this offseason. Maybe they'll try it again next year or in the future, but there isn't going to be a bonus game day spot for a 3rd QB this year.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he's someone who won't be an OC, he'll be our QB coach and end up leaving directly for a HC job. If we lose Brown soon, our next OC will be Deuce unless he's also gotten a HC job already. So odds are, that's at least 3 years if not more until our OC job would be open for him. Sure, a perfect opportunity could open up for McCown to be an OC, but I think it will be hard to top the opportunity to turn Bryce into a top end QB in this league. If he does that, particularly with all the size concerns over him, it will be enough to get him a HC job without being an OC first. So I don't think he's leaving for any old OC job, would need to be a perfect opportunity, other than that, I think he's here as our QB coach for a few years and then gets a HC job.

We have 3 future HC's on the staff and all are black, it would be okay to lose one of them after this year since we'd still have 2 left, but keeping at least 2, if not all 3, around for 2 seasons is key. You get a Third round pick 2 years in a row after they get the HC jobs, if we can get an extra 6 third round picks over the course of 2-4 years, that's significant.

Van Wilder did 7 years

Name another available veteran QB who was available this offseason who was willing to sign on to being a backup without a legitimate chance at earning the starting job........ But is better suited to be a mentor than Dalton, a guy who never was an elite physical talent but still was able to start in this league for a decade. I'd say I'll wait.... but there isn't Only one who would have been close, is Two Gloves, but given him already being here a couple years ago, Dalton makes way more sense.

Well seeing as I live about a 30 minute drive from Ford Field, clearly going to the Seattle game

No, you are totally incorrect here. It's not about actually completing it, at all. Just because Mahomes only completed 2 passes like that last year, doesn't mean when they sent their WR's on those go routes that the defense just said, "we're good" once they get past 40ish yards and not worry about it. Just the ability of the QB to put the ball out there at that distance forces the defense to play a little further back. In every defensive scouting report against a team like the Chiefs, Chargers, Bills, etc (teams with those massive armed QB's), it will have notes in there about watching out for the super deep ball, being aware of it, and accounting for it. That just will never show up in a scouting report for Bryce, because he doesn't have that arm. And again, nobody has once said this is a disqualifier for him to being a successful QB, people are just pointing out that he has average arm strength and it takes one thing off the table for us that other teams may have. Which I think is the bigger problem here, you're just missing the point as to why people are talking about it. Nobody is saying it's going to keep him from being good, but if you can't objectively look at your players and know their strengths, weaknesses, and how either can benefit or hinder a team's performance, then you have no standing in a discussion like this. Everything isn't rainbows and butterflies, but it doesn't mean the sky is falling either.

Tell me you don't get it, without telling me that you don't get it C'mon man, I brought up the crowded pocket in the sense that Bryce needed a perfectly clean pocket to have the ability to properly step up and into that throw to get the most behind it and get it to his max throwing distance. And only mentioned other QB's ability in the sense to showcase their arm strength in that they don't need that clean pocket to step into the throw perfectly clean to get it that far. In short, it clearly had nothing to do with the pocket/pressure itself, was just an example of arm strength and the ability to throw it that far with the flick of a wrist. You then brought up Bryce being best in his class at dealing with pressure and a crowded pocket, which has absolutely nothing to do with arm strength.

I don't think you get it No, they don't line up 40 yards off the ball, but if you have a speedster at WR and a QB with a monster arm, it causes safeties to back up once the ball is snapped and run with that WR running the go-route. It's not even about completing the passes that deep, it's about having the ability to do so and thus forcing the defense to respect and defend that possibility. It opens up underneath routes, particularly in the middle of the field, as it removes the safety from that area of the field by default. It's like why teams with Lebron on it need to build a team filled with shooters around him. It's to keep the defense needed to stay close to them, and thus open up space in the lane for Lebron to do his work. To further the basketball analogy, it's like when a terrible shooter gets the ball outside the 3 point line and the defense completely sags off them because they're unafraid of them shooting the 3. Same concept, not hard to understand, it's about the threat of something and the defense needing to account for it.

the discussion was about arm strength, you posted a video about arm strength, so why bring up pressure/crowded pockets? odd

Not sure this video makes the argument that you think it does First pass was about 55 air yards, actually probably a few yards less, second pass only went 50, the third one was about 60, maybe a yard or two less. If that's the video that shows off his max arm strength, then it's easily bottom half of the NFL among starting QB's and likely in the bottom 10 in the end. Again, it's adequate and serviceable, but the top strong armed QB's can throw it that far from a crowded pocket with the flick of the wrist, he needed perfectly clean pocket and be able to step into those throws as clean as can be to get it there. And again, as I pointed out in my last post, it's less even about being able to make that throw as much as just having the threat of it in your back pocket to keep a safety deeper. There are a lot of positives about Bryce that people can talk up, but arm strength just isn't one of them, it's probably his biggest actual weakness if you don't count injury concern as that's not quite as tangible of a thing like arm strength is.

This is surprising to me, odds are he doesn't have the cash on hand to buy too significant of a stake in the team, which if that's the case, I'm surprised that Kraft doesn't offer up to Brady the same percentage stake in the Patriots. With what NFL franchises are selling for, even $200 Million would probably only be between 5% of the franchise, if even that much, gotta think the Raiders are worth more than the Redskins that just sold for $6 Billion or the Broncos that went for $4 Billion. I'd think 5% of the Patriots would be worth it to Kraft to keep Brady in the family and not have him now tied at the hip to another franchise, particularly in the AFC. Especially since he wouldn't be just giving it to him for free, he'd make a couple hundred million on it (and that's if he's even investing that much, could be even less).

I think what people are missing in the arm strength debate with Bryce, is that yes, he has an adequate arm, which allows him to make all the throws with the necessary zip on them, but that's because he knows his limits and stays within them, which is great. But he just flat out doesn't have that monster arm strength, and even with an NFL workout regimen, he's never going to have THAT kind of arm, which isn't the worst thing as many NFL QB's have been successful without it. However, it does eliminate a growing element in the NFL today, and that's the uber deep ball to a speedster running a go-route. Beyond it just being a great weapon to have as it can create monster game-changing plays, it also helps force defenses to account for it on every snap and tends to keep a safety deeper and thus take a defender out of the play on many snaps. We won't ever have that with Bryce unfortunately, and for as great as Tyreek was with the Dolphins last year, it was clear that Tua doesn't have that monster arm either and it hurt their ability to tell Tyreek to run as fast as he can and just outrun everyone for a 70 yard bomb that guys like Mahomes can throw. So many times last year Tyreek had the defense woefully beat and was already running behind them when he had to slow up and almost stop to catch the pass because Tua couldn't throw it far enough to allow him to keep running. So I think people knocking his arm strength, at least I know it is with myself, isn't about him not being able to make the throws that he needs to make, but that it eliminates the possibility of a play that is becoming very useful in today's NFL, that's all.