tukafan21

I can see a very real scenario that we win a weak division with a rookie QB going 9-8 and then follow that up with a 10 or 11 win season that even with a first round exit, I don't think they'd get fired over that. After how bad we've been under Tepper, two playoffs with improvement in each year, they'd be solidified even with a down year after that I think. Would need to bounce back after that for sure, but if we improve both of these first two years, especially with a young QB, then I think it buys then another 2 to see what they can do.

If we're still picking in the Top 10 in 2 more years, we could be looking to draft someone new again, but depending how the college game shakes out in that time, I think they play it out for one more year. That next draft class could have Arch Manning, and let's be honest, if he pans out as expected, I'd LOVE to get a Manning at QB, hard to argue with that bloodline right now. Also, I don't think we have to have made an NFCC game in the next 2 years, playoffs, sure, but not that much in 2 years, that would be an incredible turnaround.

No I love Cam, was thrilled when we brought him back and will always support him. But he was never the best at reading defenses and his style of game was the exact opposite of fundamentals, how's he going to teach any QB that isn't a replica of himself?

thinking we overpaid for Hurst expecting Schultz and Gesicki to go for more than they did. Also afraid we did the same with Sanders, other RBs aren't really getting that great of deals right now.

This makes literally zero sense. If they were willing to give up next years first to a team they knew would be taking a non-QB if they kept the pick, just to keep someone else from jumping them, now that someone did jump them for a QB, they would be willing to give up the same, if not more, to then jump that team. I'm still not on board with it unless we're 100% sure they aren't taking the player we would take if we stay at #1, and even then, I still want #2, 2024 first, and then either #12 or their 2nd rounder this year as well. If they want to pick their QB before we do, even if we know it's not who we're gonna take, they have to pay through the nose to get that right, period.

I like Thielen as he'd be a good slot safety valve for a rookie and would be a great vet presence in the WR room to teach these guys how to be pros, particularly TMJ and whichever WR we draft in the 2nd. But I just don't see the need for Chark, he's similar to TMJ and very injury prone, just not someone I'd like to see us target as I don't think he brings enough value to us right now.

Nobody said anything about a hometown discount, we can still pay him market value, particularly with how much cap we have available next year, an extension can be signed that lessens his cap hit this year while structuring the contract to use that cap room next year to eat a bulk of it then. And seeing as he's from SC, played college ball at Clemson, and his cousin who also played with him both in High School and in college just signed with us, it's not at all far fetched that if he can't get a trade to an immediate title contender like KC or Buffalo, then I'd think we'd be as attractive to him as any other team out there. He's already come out and said he's not going to ask for top WR money in any extension from a team that signs him, he just wants out of that mess in Arizona at this point.

I disagree, I think we should be a very attractive team for Hopkins for a variety of reasons. First being that he's from SC and played at Clemson, so it would basically be a homecoming for him. Then, with a rookie QB, he'd likely see a TON of targets, particularly given the rest of our WR room at the moment. Cam's rookie year was one of the best seasons Smitty had in his career, for that same reason. If he were to go to a contending team with an established QB and better WRs, the ball would be spread around much more and he'd see a fraction of the targets he'd get here this year. Also, while I'm guessing Hopkins wants to play for a contender and we're not really that yet, we get a hell of a lot closer if we were to get a #1 WR such as himself. He knows that the most likely path to contending these days is with a rookie QB contract, our window for contending would really be open from 2024-2026, so why not get on the team a year before that, put up huge stats for that first year and then be the #1 WR on a contending team while essentially playing back at home.

Not really, neither Chark or Thielen are #1 WRs, I still think Chark is still pretty similar to TMJ and would just be a redundancy and take away time from TMJ who still has potential.

Oh I'm not doubting his talent, I'm just saying I think there were multiple incidents last year that made him out to be a hothead and a bit of a diva. Which I get, it's something that comes with the WR a lot of the time, but that's not really what you want with a rookie QB either, same reason people don't want Odell. I'd rather go after Sutton or Hopkins who don't seem to have those same question marks about them, if we had an established QB already I wouldn't be as concerned about Jeudy. But if the Broncos are willing to trade away a recent first round pick already while still on his rookie deal, that also in itself probably isn't a great sign, it means they want him out of that locker room most likely.

I just very much remember him taking off his helmet at one point last year while yelling at and then bumping a ref. I just remember it too because it was shocking that he didn't get tossed from the game for it. Sure, could have been a one time thing, but I feel like I also remember there being times last year that he was very demonstrative on the field about not getting the ball thrown his way as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-qUBh5klg

I think he's a bit of a head case, I remember him having an outburst or two on the field last year as well.

If you can’t breakout and live up to your potential with Mahomes as your QB, you’re likely not as good as your potential might seem to indicate. just sayin

Normal pick values get thrown out the window in a situation like this though, that's the difference. I can't see any scenario where we would allow the Texans to pick the QB first if we're getting a 2nd rounder at most. If that's all we could get, no GM would accept a 2nd rounder to not get first choice of their QB, particularly after everything we gave up. Houston would have to make it worth our while, and short of #12 or next year's first, I don't think they can do that. That's why I don't think it's a realistic situation or else they'd have traded up with the Bears for a MUCH cheaper cost. The Bears could have gotten almost the same trade from us for #2, so they'd have taken a lesser offer from the Texans if they really wanted to move up that spot, and then flipped #2 to us. In fact, the only way I think the Texans would make the move at this point, is if after the next 6 weeks they're convinced there's only 1 franchise QB in the draft. And if they come to that conclusion, I'd be very worried about trading out of the top spot at that point.

I'm still in the camp of taking our top guy on the board, even if it's just by the slimmest of margins, it's QB, you take the best available to you if you have the choice, don't let someone else choose. But if they can deduce with essentially 100% certainty that the Texans would be taking the guy we don't have ranked first, then I'll make the swap, but I'm still making them pay thru the nose. All week I'd been saying my cost there would be #2, #12, and 2024 1st, but if we're very sure our #1 isn't who they'd take (i.e. we want Stroud and they want Young and we KNOW it), then I'd take #2, their 2nd this year, and their 2024 First. But anything short of that and I say it's not worth the risk of them taking our top ranked guy. Then I'm packaging up their 2nd and our 2nd to try and get back into the First if JSN starts to slip and pair him with Stroud.

Draft a WR with literally each of our first 3 picks and just hope one can make it work this year. We have other holes still needed to be filled, but I think that would be the best use of them as we can't go into the season with this WR room right now, would be destroying the QB's chances at success as a rookie from the jump

Wouldn't be against trading for him, but I'd be pretty frustrated if we gave up any decent assets for him instead of going after Hopkins, Sutton, Jeudy, or Elijah Moore.

Stroud is historically small for a QB from a build standpoint just as much as height, that's the difference. It's no guarantee that Stroud would stay healthy of course, but there is a significantly raised risk of Young's body being able to hold up for a long career. The other successful sub 6' QB's were a bit stockier to hold up more, like Wilson and Brees. Defensive players are just getting bigger, one clean Parsons hit on Young and he could get broken in two.

I'd have said yes before we signed Von Bell But that means the plan is to move Chinn back to LB, along with Burns, Shaq, and Luvu we don't have any place for another starting LB like either of them.

Or maybe this is their way of hoping the Texans will try and swap picks with us, by leaking this out there since it's known they like Young

Sign Chark and trade for Elijah Moore (I still don't really want Chark, but just thinking of having WRs on the team next year with the names of DJ and another of Moore, makes me chuckle) Then make Moore take #2 and give Chark #12

I think it's more the 2nd rounder next year when we already traded away our 1st. Not a fan of being down both of those picks, especially since we already traded our 2nd away in 2025 as well. I also think his time in Arizona is up, both sides know it, they don't have much leverage and I can't see a team giving up that much to get him, if someone was willing to give that much up, with the weak FA WR market this year, someone would have already made that trade with them by now.

Fair, and I've been beating the drum on needing a #1 WR for days. But I don't think he's the answer, I'd rather overspend a little bit to go after Hopkins, Sutton, Juedy, etc, than sign Chark. I just don't think he's much, if any, improvement over TMJ right now and if we draft a WR with our 2nd rounder, I think Chark would be our #3 this year. When our WR room is this bad, I don't see the value in signing someone who would possibly be our #3 right now.

I am all for trying to trade for Hopkins, but in no world am I giving them a 2nd and 3rd for him, just no