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The Raiders have already shown enough interest in Jeanty that anyone after 6 that wants him and would trade up for him, will already be calling the Jags for a trade anyways. The only thing them signaling interest in Jeanty could do if their interest was to trade back, would be to bluff the Raiders into making a swap with them to add draft assets while still drafting whoever they are actually targeting.

I love when people go after his YAC ability as if he wasn't 5th in the Big 12 this past season in YAC, because he was. And you can say his style of YAC doesn't mesh with this type of game, but that on its face is just nonsense, because if he's good enough to be 5th in a major conference, it clearly meshes well with his game. The reason you say it doesn't, is because you think all he is good at is making contested catches because of his radius, but because you haven't watched enough of his full tape, you don't realize that he's consistently used in the screen and short slant game to get the ball in his hands because he actually is a solid YAC guy because he's surprisingly agile for a player of his size. No, he's no Tyreek, but he has more than enough wiggle to his game that you combine it with everything he does at an elite level because of his size, and it makes for a guy who is going to be a consistent 1k yard and 10+ TD player. He can be the true outside #1 that we need, but he's also versatile enough to be moved into the slot at times to scheme the ball into his hands against smaller nickel corners or slower linebackers. He's a slightly less physical Mike Evans but with more agility, my comp was always AJ Green. He's going to be an elite #1 WR in this league for the next decade, if he's there and we pass on him to trade down for another WR, we will regret it for a long time.

My issue is that those who defend winning the meaningless games always come out saying the same thing "do you really expect the team to try and lose" which is the dumbest thing ever. No, the players and coaches aren't trying to lose, and no, I wouldn't want them to (outside of a situation where final game of the season and a loss guarantees the #1 pick, in that instance as the owner, I'm telling the coach to lose the game and that losing it won't hurt their job status because we want the #1 pick). As FANS, it's perfectly acceptable to hope your team fights, shows grit and improvement, but still come out on the losing end because it's what will help build a winning franchise long term, getting higher draft picks. Those of us who do that, we don't enjoy rooting for our team to lose, but we do it knowing that the temporary pain can help bring long term joy, and i more quickly than the alternative. I've always felt that rooting for your team to lose because you can see the bigger long term picture makes you MORE of a fan than someone who roots for them to win every single game no matter what. Because you'd rather go through pain if it means being better in the future than have a moment of joy if it hurts your future prospects.

No, if you want a WR, you just stay put and take T-Mac. I've given up most of my hope that we'll take him, as all the smoke out there is that we're going defense. But if the team decides to target a WR in the 1st round and he's there at 8 and we trade back to take someone else, we're going to regret it for a LONG time.

The term "linebacker" is a bit of an undefined position these days. Because in this instance, you're comparing him in size to players that are what generally are considered 4-3 LB's. But we're looking at him as an OLB in a 3-4 and as an edge rusher, which is more of a DE than a LB. And if you look at the "Edge" category in there, he's literally the lightest of any of the 26 players listed on that page.

So the best pass rusher in NFL history, who played in an entirely different era (and literally was the player to change the pass rushing game) and a MLB, you're not helping make the case for Walker. The people who don't want us to draft him is because his size doesn't make sense for a full time edge pass rusher in today's NFL. And if he's not going to be that, then taking him at 8 just doesn't make sense as he's not a Luke Kuehcly (or Ray Lewis) either. I don't think those of us (at least not myself) saying he's to small to take, are saying he can't be successful, it's that for what we need, he's not big enough to be. I don't think he'll ever be a full time edge rusher, and if we move to a 4-3 base he has almost not shot at being a full time DE. I just don't like the fit for what we need and what we'd be drafting him to hope he becomes. He'd be much better off falling to a team who runs a 4-3 and want him as an OLB who is used as a situational pass rusher, and in that role he could thrive, but it's not what we need right now. If we trade down to 12-15 and he's still there, then yea, I'd be much more open to a player like that there along with the added draft capital. But at 8, it just doesn't make sense to take someone who doesn't fit what you really need right now, which is an edge pass rusher who could also play DE in a 4-3.

My concerns about Walker have nothing to do with who I'd take and everyone knows who that is anyways. If we're taking a 3-4 OLB, I'd rather they be someone who would be a full time pass rusher, who if/when we switch back to a 4-3 in the near future, can seamlessly transition into being a full time DE, which I don't see Walker being able to do. And don't take this as me saying I don't like Walker in general, I think he could be a very good player. I just don't like taking him at 8 given the positional fit issues with him. I'd rather take someone with a lower ceiling but a higher floor because they fit a true position, not someone who is going to be alignment and situation dependent like Walker is likely going to be, particularly early in his career.

My concern with Walker is that he's small, he's not a true edge but he's also not a MLB either. He's a tweener that very well could turn him into a great player, but I just don't love the idea of taking a player like that, with one season of collegiate production, at #8. If he's not a true edge rusher and he's sure as hell not a Kuechly, taking him at 8 just doesn't make sense to me, no matter how much you like the person/player. Just feels like he's Chinn situation all over again, except not a S/LB hybrid, but a LB/DE hybrid this time. He seems like a 3-4 OLB who will split his time rushing the passer and dropping back, which sure, while that can be a valuable player to have, I'd rather be taking someone with more of a defined position regardless of base alignment. I don't think we're going to stick with Evero for the long term, whether he leaves on his own or we go a different way. And once that happens, if/when we move back to a 4-3, a player like Walker is going to struggle even more as he really won't be a great fit for any specific position in that alignment as he's not a 4-3 OLB and he's not big enough to be a full time DE in that alignment either.

What? Jeanty to the Jags is picking up steam? In what world does that make sense when they have Etienne and Bigsby already? If they were picking in the late teens and Jeanty was still there, then sure, maybe you look at it as a great value pick and you trade one or both of those other RBs. But taking one at #5 when you have two quality RBs already just seems like a HORRIBLE decision

Time to play some 4D chess and do our homework on Sanders. If we do that and don't believe he's a franchise QB (which I personally don't think he is), then we need to bluff someone else trying to trade up into our spot and just get the Saints to give us additional picks to swap with us. We saddle them with a QB who is going to hurt the franchise for a few years while we still get to draft whoever we wanted at 8 while picking up more draft capital. Helps us, hurts a divisional opponent.

If we're dropping from 8 to 21 so they can take a QB, then I want 2 future 1sts. That is a massive drop to take in the 1st round and while all those mid round picks would be nice to have, all taking all of them is doing is turning it into another CMC trade where we took overall trade value over high end impact. I want 21, their next two 1sts, and then probably still another 3rd and 4th this year.

I swear this has nothing to do with me obviously wanting T-Mac, but I'm a HARD pass on a WR in the 2nd, literally solely based on our inability to hit on those picks over the years, we're really really bad at it and just seems like we throw those picks away. Much rather use the 2nd on the defensive side of the ball no matter what we do with the 1st round pick.

No research, I'm just an Arizona alum so I know he's projected as a 2nd rounder. And there is never a scenario I'd be on board with using any 2nd round pick on a player who you legitimately hope would never touch the field as a rookie when you have as many holes as we still do. Even if you think they are going to be a starter for you in the future, taking a player in the 2nd who can't help you this year outside of injuries would be epically stupid.

Show me one person who has said WR's don't need to watch film? We've said it's not as important as other positions, which is true, because there is much less for a WR to study on film than any other position. Also... he never once said he doesn't watch film, he literally in that clip says he watches it, it's just not something that he loves to do. Lots of people love their jobs but don't love ALL aspects of it, how is this any different?

So.... You use stats to say why you don't like someone, then tell another poster to present their stats and you'll look at it... but when I use stats to directly refute your stats about him in games vs ranked teams, as you looked at a 4 game sample and I showed you the full 15 game log against ranked opponents, you basically say stats don't matter as much as other things. Okay. Also, he wouldn't have been the 5th WR taken last year, he MIGHT have been the 4th, but that's because he would have been in direct competition with Odunze for the 3rd off the board, which means even if he did go 4th, it likely would have been right around the Top 10 anyways, but still a very legitimate shot at going 3rd before Odunze anyways.

How about the stats I presented then?

All of this too, I tried to keep mine on the box score game logs myself, since too many people only want to see the raw numbers and not game flow and the WHY of things. People who didn't watch every Arizona game the last 2 years also just can't understand how much the offense as a whole took a step back after the coaching change. The play design and calling was atrocious and the QB play dropped off a cliff. I've said it before but not sure people cared... about halfway through the season T-Mac tweaked his ankle. He came out for a play or two to get looked at but went right back in and that was it. But the Arizona fan based was openly rooting for him to just shut it down for the year after that game because they all felt the team was screwing his draft stock and he was better off not playing than going out there and having his QB/coaches let him down. I wish I had a video reel of all the times our QB just missed him when he was WIDE open and even just an average pass would have lead to a TD, instead it was an incomplete pass that landed 10 feet away from him.

lol, I love when people make posts like this. First things first, people keep pointing to the Colorado game and "what he did vs Hunter" so I'll keep pointing out that Hunter barely even played in that game because he was injured, was in and out in the first half and didn't play a snap in the 2nd half. This was brought up a week or two ago and I think it was that T-Mac was targeted 5 times when Hunter was in coverage, catching 3 of them as well as drawing a pass interference call on him too. Beyond that, it's also just disingenuous to point to that game this year when we had a terrible coaching staff and our QB played terribly all year, while ignoring the 9 rec, 107 yards, and TD that he put up against Colorado the year before when Hunter was healthy and played the full game, including the TD catch being in 1 on 1 coverage against Hunter. That big ASU rivalry game where he only had 68 yards (and a TD btw)? Okay, so if I give you that game, do I then get to count the 11 rec, 266 yards, and TD that he had in the game against ASU in 2023? He played 15 games against ranked teams in his 3 years and had 90 rec, 1,227 yards, 9 TDs. Which means during his college career, he averaged 82 yards per game against ranked teams, and you happened to conveniently call out 3 games where he had less than that average and a game that didn't even play out in the way you are insinuating it did.

So a player needs to love watching football in their free time to love playing it? I love golf, but I hate watching it on TV. You're making an extrapolation based on an off handed comment from a few years ago, it's a massive leap to say he doesn't love football from that.

Exactly WR is the least important position for watching film, and there is even an argument that them watching too much film to study tendencies COULD actually be a hinderance to the team. NFL QB's don't throw the ball to open WR's, they throw the ball to a spot where they expect the WR to be when the ball gets there. If WR's are out there trying to make decisions on the fly based on what they are seeing, then it greatly increases the chances of them and the QB not being on the same page and leading to INT's because the QB threw the ball expecting the WR to run his route and he broke it off into something else because of what he expected the defense to do. It's why QB's need to be the massive film watchers, because it's on them to then see what the whole defense is doing and make the right choice as to which player to throw the ball to, as he knows exactly where his WR is going based on the play/route called. Every other position needs film study more, linemen need it to study tendencies, running back's need it to predict what the defense is doing to know where the hole will open up, defensive players need to recognize the play the offense is trying to run. But WR's, they need to run exactly where the QB is expecting them to, which is the play call, not what they see on the fly. Yes, there are option routes, but those aren't dictated by what they are seeing on film, but what the defender is doing in the moment. As in, if they're shading you this direction, you go that way, or if they are in Cover 2 vs Zone, you do this or that. Those aren't things you need extensive film study to do, they're general hard and fast rules that apply to any team you're playing.

Why though? Don't get me wrong, it's an Arizona guy, I'd love him to be a Panther, but he's probably going to be a 2nd round pick and we have a full starting OL, I'm not really on board with drafting someone in the 2nd who best case scenario this year won't see a single snap on the field outside of the FG unit. We have far too many holes to draft a backup OL in the 2nd, even if they should be a future starter for us down the line.

T-Mac will have some of the best hands in the NFL the second he's drafted, it's quite literally his best trait and is as elite as they can get. For all the legitimate things to ask questions about with him, his hands just flat out aren't one of them. If you watch his highlight reels you'll see it, the dude just has glue for hands. And for all the hate I get for what I say about him, even those who get on me for it, the ones who have watched enough of his tape even have to begrudgingly agree with me on this one.

Give stupid takes, get called out and told why. Don't want to see them? Stop staying dumb things like "I don't want him because he said he doesn't enjoy watching film from a video from 2 years ago during his freshman year"