tukafan21

No. SOME people had him ranked lower, but in no world did "a lot of people" have him ranked that low, the overwhelming majority of experts, analysts, whatever you want to call them had him as the #1 or #2 WR in the class depending on if they kept Hunter in that category or not, or at worst maybe 3rd behind Hunter and then like Golden or something.

If I remember correctly, last offseason or possibly the one before, they changed the cutdown rules and instead of gradual steps, you just have to be to the 56 man roster until just after the last preseason game.

I like this post. LOL 72 hours after the pick is made, on the 42nd page of this thread, and just a very simple, "I like this pick"... what a post, love it (and no, this isn't sarcasm, it's just a hilariously awesome post this deep into the thread haha)

I know he's a long shot to make the team anyways, and while I'll understand if he won't want to do it to try and make his own name, but I really hope he wears 87

I'm not dismissing that, but again, that's why Eli had a better career than Rivers, because he put those runs together, even though Rivers was the better player, but that doesn't mean the Giants "clearly won the trade" like you said. Rivers only started 6 more games than Eli and played in 8 more than him, but despite that, Rivers had 17 more wins, 6,400 more yards, 55 more TDs, 35 less INTs, and a 4.5% better completions, while making 8 Pro Bowls to Eli's 4, and all those extra stats came in somehow only a total of 15 more pass attempts in his career than Eli had. The SB's are really the only part of their careers that Eli was better than Rivers, so there's a very real argument to be made that had the Giants not made the trade and just kept Rivers, they very well might have had even more success than they did under Eli, and because of that, I can't say they won the trade itself.

And Eli was 0-4 in his career in the playoffs outside of the two SB seasons. It’s not like Eli was dragging inferior teams to succes, he needed a fully built out team to win those SB’s. If you remove the two SB’s, Rivers was the better QB between them. I’m not taking away from how Eli played in those runs, but I’m not going to say those SB’s couldn’t have happened with Rivers either. Which is why Eli had the better career, but the trade itself was a draw.

Eli had the better career because of the SB’s of course, but the trade itself I think was a draw, they both got HOF QB’s out of it, and so much more goes into winning a SB than only the QB.

At a minimum, he's less a camp body as much as a camp mentor for our crazy young WR room. But if he shows out, I could see him taking Moore's spot on the roster in the end.

I mean, he should have thrown a more accurate pass

Just the ramblings of an Arizona alum and Panthers fan still trying to process that this actually happened and I’m not stuck in the cruelest days long dream of all time LOLOL

He had 2 games last year over 251 yards passing. AFTER the benching he had 5 games of 203 yards or less and only 4 games over 203. Trying to pull out whatever stat they use to call something a "big time throw" as proof that he's proven be belongs in the league as the face of a franchise is so much more of a delusional take than the opposite. He improved his play after the benching, but trying to say anything more than that is the delusional take, sorry but those are the facts.

I'm not sure drafting a project is the way to go, the NFL is in a weird place right now when it comes to QB's. There aren't 32 elite starting caliber QB's at the moment, but there are far more than 32 serviceable QB's right now. The quality level of many backup QB's right now is far higher than it ever used to be. If Bryce proves himself on the field, I'd rather keep using our draft picks on guys who might actually play for us, and then go find a new backup every year or two and bring in either a Flacco type, the aging vet who would be solid in a pinch, or a Jameis, Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, etc, type who while they've struggled as a starter before, are still going to be better backup QB's than the late round draft pick projects.

Interesting, hadn't heard that before. Wonder if this will change the way they go about things and maybe from now on they won't pass those phone numbers out to each team but will be somewhat handled like a switchboard where only the league has those numbers and they connect the team to the player when it's time to do it.

The stupidity isn't even doing it (which yes, was stupid) but it was then posting the video of you doing it online. It's basically like robbing a bank and then posting a picture of you holding all the cash on twitter afterwards. Both are dumb, but one is many levels of dumber than the other.

Yes... dumb, immature, wrong, a lot of ways to describe this. HOWEVER.... of all people, Shedeur and the Sanders family don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to being respectful and going about their business in a humble way and "doing the right thing" I'm not going to say I can excuse this because of who they did it to, but this would be the closest I could ever come to saying they got what they deserved for how they've handled everything about Shedeur since the moment he got to college and leading into draft day.

I still think people look at how Bryce ended the season wrong. Yes, he was clearly a million times better than he was as a rookie or even the start of last season, but he was still miles away from being some great QB. He was a serviceable game manager who did some nice things, but he still wasn't a "#1 draft pick that you trade the farm for" type of player. Again, I'm never going to root for his failure, I'm rooting for him to become the best QB in the league as long as he's a Panther. But he's still more on the wrong side of the fence at the moment for being our long term QB solution, he has to prove he can be that FAR more than the opposite, as he hasn't done anything yet to earn that distinction.

100% But the fact that there is even a thread comparing them on our boards shows you how our fans are feeling about that McShay report. Sure, there is a thread about the Smitty stuff too, but to even put McShay/T-Mac in the same breath as the Kiper/Shedeur stuff puts the two T-Mac things in perspective lol

^^^ For whatever it's worth, the fan base is far more angry with McShay (and Fisch since we "know" it was him feeding that to him) and the bullshit he spewed out there than Smitty. There's a thread on our board right now asking which was worse, the McShay/T-Mac stuff or Kiper's handling of Shedeur stuff... that's how angry the fan base is with that "reporting" by McShay, lol

All true And yes, if you sent me back in a time machine without my knowledge of us drafting T-Mac, then yea, I'm doing the Rams trade and I'm not doing the Bryce trade. But the most likely scenario is in that alternate universe where we did either or both of those, the dominoes don't end up falling to where T-Mac is a Panther, which really is the end all be all for me of course. I look at everything that has happened in the Panthers 30 year history as leading to my favorite team drafting my school's best player and immediately giving me any new favorite Panther and overall football player of all time. It's made even losing the SB's become even more tolerable, because it all lead to this...........

"hate" is the wrong word, but yea, they kinda hate him right now (this might legit be the first and only time I've ever referred to Wildcat fans as "they" and not "we" because of course I can't hate Smitty, LOLOL) You have to remember, T-Mac is basically our best player in school history, at least offensively. We've had a lot of great defenders, mainly back in the 90's, and we had Gronk who while great for us, more made his mark in the NFL of course as he only played his freshman and sophomore year for us (had he not been injured and missed his whole junior season, he might own that distinction over T-Mac). When anyone talks down your best player in school history, the fans aren't going to take kindly to it. Add in the irony of T-Mac then getting drafted by the team who's receiving records are all owned by said person talking down their guy, and yea, the fan base is going to have a field day with that one, haha.

The questioning of his work ethic isn't from Smitty, it's from the McShay report that in 2023 when Jedd Fisch was there to "put his foot on T-Mac's throat" he was great. But now that he left there was nobody there to do it this past year and his effort suffered. Which is complete bullshit It's Fisch out there trying to take credit for T-Mac's success while trying to also talk himself and his coaching ability up, and it all stemmed from the sour grapes from Fisch of T-Mac and Fifita not following him to Washington last year.

Not really though For two main and connected reasons... If we had been able to get the Bryce pick using the Rams picks as suggested, we'd have kept DJ, which in all likelihood might have been enough to keep us from "earning" the #1 pick last year anyways. And even if it didn't, if we had DJ, we probably aren't taking T-Mac this year anyways as then a #1 WR wasn't as dire of a need and we probably go defense or that's when we take the TE instead of another WR.

Why we didn't bring in legit competition for Bryce is actually VERY simple. IF... Bryce isn't the guy, we have to replace him next year and whoever we brought in as that legitimate competition wasn't going to be the long term solution either (it would have been like a Wilson, Jameis, Cousins, etc type). IF... Bryce sucks this year, benching him for one of those guys isn't going to make us contenders, but it's also going to keep us from having a high draft pick to replace Bryce with. So you ride with Bryce, he either sinks or swims, but either way, it sets us up for the future. If he swims it's Bryce, if he sinks it's a new draft pick. But having someone like Wilson lead us to a 8-9 record and the 15th pick in the draft would keep us in QB purgatory.

Honestly, I'm not sure it will, and I don't mean that in a bad way. T-Mac never struck me as the Smitty type, that takes that stuff in and uses it as fuel. He's the type that just flat out doesn't care about it, he's himself and just goes out there and does him. I think he's more the type to laugh something like that off than use it as anger fuel, which I don't think is a bad thing either, it shows confidence in yourself and a strong mentality that you don't let others opinions affect yourself.

"we set ourselves up to draft T-Mac 2 years later" FIFY lol