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Where I disagree with this argument is that Legette didn't need to reach out the way he did. It wasn't a perfect, right on the money pass, I'm not suggesting that. But it was still in a position where he could hand-catch it and go into the endzone. Legette just doesn't trust his hands though and tried to pull it into his body, hence laying out and falling down. I've seen plenty of WRs catch those kind of throws in stride without falling on their stomach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbqu9RSnHL0&ab_channel=NFLArchive Not the same kind of throw, but look at how Steve Smith catches the ball on this play. Delhomme throws it high, but instead of trying to find a way to catch it with his body, Smitty extends his hands and makes the play. It allows him to get YAC as well (we'll see an example of Legette likely missing out on YAC because he body catched it) Look at this play by Legette at South Carolina - https://x.com/Panthers24_7/status/1866098134302011556?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet Not a good throw by the QB, but Legette does what he should do here: goes up and gets it with his hands instead of trying to clutch it with his body. Legette made the same "body-catch" earlier on the drive when Bryce nearly escaped a sack Imagine if he had actually caught it with his hands instead of clutching it with his body again? Probably would have been in a better position to make the 2 guys in the secondary miss. That is why I'm so concerned that this might not be fixable. It is instinctual for him right now.

He wasn't "body catching all the time." And even if so, Moss is a completely different kind of WR. Legette having bad hands damn near negates the kind of WR he is supposed to be. A big, strong, go up and get it physical WR. It is hard to be that when you have bad hands. If you want to compare him to a HOF WR with bad hands, then the best comp would be Terrell Owens. But TO was a freak athlete and one of the few exceptions of a great #1 not having reliable hands. And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Legette ever playing with the kind of intensity that TO has. This isn't me slandering Legette as a person because he seems to be a great guy, but I'm not sure he's got that #1 WR dawg mentality in him. I'd love to be wrong about that though.

You might be thinking of Philly Brown. I could be mistaken but I don’t recall Curtis Samuel having a drops problem.

I really don't understand how people can watch Legette and not think his hands aren't a MASSIVE concern for his long-term future. I understand he is a rookie, but that is a big deal. Having good hands is not something you should need to be working on achieving in the NFL if you are a WR. And this isn't the 1950s. The transition from college to NFL at the WR position has to be among the easiest alongside RB and LB. And again, Legette will be 24 next year and spent 5 years in college. Do people really think he's suddenly going to get his hands to the point where he can be a #1?

I mean you can't compare him to RBs. Among WRs he's 11th on that list and guys like Nabers and Lamb get way more targets than Legette, so it makes sense they would rank high in drops. Drop % is a better number to look at for that reason.

Yes, among qualified WRs. Going into the game he was 14th among WRs with 100 snaps. 2 or 3 drops today, whatever the PFF officially marks him for, will likely push him into the top 10 if not top 5. And the WRs ahead of him are mostly scrubs.

"I didn't watch the game" Also, two things can be true at once. Legette can have had a terrible game AND the offense also could have played better the rest of the game.

I don't know man. I want to agree with you, but hands just aren't something that can be improved overnight no matter how hard you work and we have seen this time and time again. For 90% of guys, you either have good hands or you don't. That is why DBs stay DBs. Could it happen? Sure, but I think the Panthers would be making a grave mistake if they go into this offseason banking on Legette being the #1.

Is it? He had one of the highest drop %s in the NFL coming into this game and had 3 drops this game. Even if we don't blame him for the first one (and I would agree we shouldn't fault him for that), that is still 1 too many drops for a 1st round WR. I'm not saying he won't ever get better, although I doubt it. But right now? In this very moment? He is a bad WR.

The issue is we aren't talking about route-running or things that do take time to develop at the NFL level. If he simply couldn't separate, I would understand that is something that comes with time. But we're talking about his hands. He's gonna be 24 years old next year. He was in college for 5 years. There is a very legit possibility that improving his hands just isn't something in his future. He's a body-catcher.

Lol what kind of post is this? Nobody is "scapegoating" him. He literally dropped a game-winning touchdown.

Lol "becoming" And someone really tried saying they weren't that bad

Absolute bum

The worst hands in the NFL by far

One of Bryce's biggest improvements: stepping up in the pocket instead of going backwards.

SAY IT AGAIN KEEP POUNDING

KEEP MFIN POUNDING

It is as safe a bet as any NFL game can be.

Probably says more about our WRs not being able to separate than it does Bryce Young actually being aggressive.

Where in local media did you read this?

Exactly it. Panthers have gotten better, but we're simply at too much of a scheme and talent disadvantage. What we do worst (defend the run) is what we the Eagles are best at (run the ball). We also don't have an obvious weakness or advantage that we can depend on. Eagles have the defensive line to bottle our run game and none of our WRs can win on an island vs their CBs. This is the kind of game where it will be really difficult to blame the HC for how things go. Obviously try not to lose by 50, but I'm just not sure you can reasonably expect us to keep this game close.

If you include Week 8, he drops to 13th in offensive grade and 11th in passing grade. Still pretty solid.

Right now? Probably Jameis, but his turnovers make it a hard choice. Very hard to win games when you turn it over at the rate that he does, so depending on the team you might prefer someone who can manage the game as Bryce has been doing. If I was a team like the Lions I'd probably prefer Bryce. Just manage the game, don't try and be crazy. Jameis can't do that, that isn't who eh is.

Even if those 2 turn into good players, the rest of his picks/decisions have been so damn bad it doesn't even matter.

Philly's defense is great and they run the ball a lot and control the TOP (and they certainly will vs us - this is a big mismatch), so even if Bryce is at his best, I doubt he would have a chance to crack 300 passing yards. Be damn impressive if he does though, but it all just depends on volume, efficiency, and most importantly... not turning the ball over.