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It’s really sad to see other teams doing things properly and then we keep half assing it. Tepper literally sent out a “please be patient” warning with PSL seats back when we lost Cam and Luke and it was obvious we needed a rebuild but we continued to act like we were 1 piece away and here we are with a bottom talent team where we still have to make excuses for why the team looks so bad coming out of training camp.

Yep. It’s why I was hoping we’d let Matt Corral drive the boat back in 2022. Let the young QB float or sink. If they float, you may have the answer. If they sink, you’ve got a top 3 pick so you can get your QB without having to give up the farm. The fact that Fitterer was looking at Young for 2 years means we knew we were going rookie QB in 2023 but we still did it so wrong.

And we were quite nice to the Bears to make them a much better spot to land.

Well, no Young trade and we’d be able to see what Williams, DJ and Burden could do. Along with Jalen Carter to pair with Brown.

It’s comical that we are even in the running. Dan agreed with Fitterer’s decision not to trade Burns for two firsts (Rams took Verse with one of the 1sts) and a second. Then, we realized we could sign Burns and traded him for a 2nd and a couple day 3 picks. Now, since our pass rush is worse, we are going to give away a lot more than we got for Burns for a guy 6 years older and more expensive. I guess we also wasted our 2nd and 3rd round picks?

No reason for roasting. Just like the well being of the fanbase, winning will remove the toxicity. Right now, you’ve got the realists who are looking at the 36-80 record over the past 7 years and the dreamers who keep talking about playoffs. Unfortunately, until we actually start really winning again, we’ll continue to have people want to lose for draft picks arguing with people who get upset at draft pick talk as if it’s ruining our culture. Winning improves team culture and averaging 5 wins a year for 7 years is far more powerful than talking draft picks or talking playoffs before week 1.

WTF was all of this. We haven’t won more than 7 games since 2017. We are way past some sort of statistical analysis. You are thinking way too hard to try to make it seem like we’ve gotten enough out of our draft picks. If you want to bring Young into the equation, for what we have up for him, 171 yards per game (38th) and 15 TDs (23rd, only ahead of backups/injured) is not good enough. He has to reach further to have been worth it. Amazing that it’s up for debate that we need our top 10 picks to turn into top 5/10 guys at their position in order for our talent level to get to playoff contention. It’s not rocket science to see where our bad drafting has gotten us and that our talent level needs a TMac to be a stud. I don’t want to be a mediocre team anymore. I don’t want to wonder how good a non-pro bowl level player could be for us.

I really hope so. I really do. We need that. For the others, I didn’t realize I posted in the Michael Pittman fan club forum. Pittman’s 17 game average is 88-974 and 4TDs on 130 targets as the WR1 for a bunch of vets and Richardson. KB’s 17 game average is 58-842 and 6TDs on 114 targets including some awful play with Buffalo and KC. Sorry, Pittman is a decent 2nd round pick but his results would be a disappointment for TMac at pick 8. Simple as that.

Mediocrity gets us nowhere. Pittman is just OK. Dude has gotten a ton of targets. Would I be happy with Pittman over Mingo or TMJ, absolutely, but I brought him up as a just OK WR that isn’t what we need out of TMac. Pick 8 being Pittman is a disappointment. Robbie Anderson’s best season is about the same as Pittman’s best season and Robbie was WR2 with Teddy and had 20 less targets than Pittman. Sorry, Pittman level results for our pick 8 #1 WR would be a disappointment. As I said, until we start pulling actual healthy stud, top 5 at their position or even top 10 guys with our first rounders, which have been top 10 picks for 6 years, we will stay bottom feeders. The two we did have missed 3 years of games out of 9 total years.

What I meant was Pittman is OK. Getting over 1100 yards took him 156 targets and that was his best year. JJ made Darnold look like a HOFer. JJ with Darnold had 2 less targets than Pittman yet he had over 1500 yards and 10 TDs. Mike Evans didn’t skip a beat with Winston or Mayfield. At pick 8, Michael Pittman results is not enough. Robbie Anderson had almost 1100 yards as WR2 with Teddy. If TMac is just Pittman, he’s a big disappointment. We need a top WR not a yardage accumulator due to large target numbers.

Same old poo. I didn’t see any Texans upset when they did an illegal chop block on Bobby.

I still say that Fitterer’s trades/non-trades and drafting were borderline sabotage. Once could look at what we did and feel like he was an undercover spy for us starting to unravel their solid team in 2015.

I seem to remember we were told to not worry about the Jets dismantling us in preseason with Reich because we did so well at joint practice and that’s what really mattered and we were holding back since our first two games were division games. Until proven otherwise, I’m happy football’s back but I’ve go low expectations. Definitely feel better than last year but we have no margin for error.

TMac is my biggest question. Is he going to be our Justin Jefferson or is he going to be Michael Pittman. We need JJ, we can’t survive Pittman. We can’t basically throw away another top 10 pick on average. At some point we can’t keep drafting Iky, Horn (if he stays injury prone), Young, trade #1 overall and maybe TMac. XL wasn’t top 10, but he was also a recent 1st rounder. Our most talented draft pick since Brown (who went 1 pick after Herbert), is a bit disappointing because he’s missed so much time and we didn’t get to savor a rookie deal. Last two SBs were in part due to drafting Peppers/Gross and Cam/Luke with back to back top 2 and then top 10 picks. We had two top 2 picks and got Young instead of say Jalen Carter and Williams or Daniels. At our talent level, TMac has to be our JJ or Mike Evans or else we will tread water at 5 wins again.

Same thing was said when the Jets (another bad team like the Browns) embarrassed Reich’s opening preseason game.

It’s amazing the hoops people continue to jump through about preseason. How many years in a row have we seen it? It’s obvious to anyone with eyes as to whether or not we look good or bad. Sure, the final score doesn’t really matter and tons of players won’t even make the team but when you say your a running offense, your first carry over 6 yards should be earlier than garbage time late in the 4th for a RB who won’t even make the PS. Again, preseason final score doesn’t matter but I won’t think about the playoffs until this team actually shows they can win more than 5 games.

Damn, didn’t see this. He's already been out a full year. Two complete IR seasons. I guess taking him instead of Horn might not have been the right call. Sewell and Parsons have been healthy although Sewell got snagged 1 pick before.

Not really. Your implication was that he was a talent with bad coaching. He’s on his 4th team in 5 years and we gave him 3 years to show something. He was just a bad pick and as a WR in the NFL, he’s not gifted in any way. Also, he was waived in late August of last year so Canales had plenty of time to observe him and didn’t want him either.

TMJ was never uber talented, ever. His lack of separation was obscene. It’s why we kept getting people in here thinking he’d break out if he played more. He played 60%+ of the offensive snaps in his first two years but no one saw him because he couldn’t get open. TMac has made more plays in camp than I remember from TMJ’s Panther career.

Hopefully, we are both wrong but the hopium feels dense right now. Look at last year, we lose Brown for the year and give up the most points ever. We aren’t talented enough yet to not have a razor thin margin of error.

No kidding. The magic year of 2015 is now a decade ago. We haven’t won a playoff game in a decade. It feels like we improved this offseason but I’m still cautious about getting my hopes up.

I’m not sure I agree on the first note on Smith. Chase had the dropsies in preseason before his rookie year and corrected it, but it was surprising because he’s got great hands. I don’t know whether XL will get better or not because we don’t have years of play to look at. One of the surprises to me is the dismissal of using the Jugs machine yo get better as if it doesn’t matter. Amon Ra lives with the machine and he’s now at a level that someone who took it easy will never reach. Doesn’t mean XL will or won’t do well but I surely can’t look at taking it easy as a good thing. I certainly don’t want to know what Amon Ra or Steve Smith would say to that, even if it was rookie year. Just weird to act like it’s OK. Will he grow and now do everything he possibly can to be as good as possible? I hope so.

CMC even said he was surprised that he was actually traded but the huddle huddles and most people read one thread and believe everything they read. Case in point. Unbelievable how consistently the made up BS continues to swirl back around. GMs liked IRing players as soon as we were no longer in contention. Cam sat the last couple weeks in 2016 but no one says he quit. I remember CMC’s last game against Miami. He didn’t even look hurt during the game but we were out of it and we benched him again. Especially at a position like RB, no need to risk injury. Clearly. Fitterer saw him as trade bait the next season so of course they won’t risk him going for last place.

He looks more like a fullback than a WR.

Exactly. You’d think 2-7 wins a year (in a 17 game season no less) since 2017 is going to keep us bottom tier. Every year we say the same poo like we haven’t been a bad team the past 7 years. Until we prove we aren’t a bottom dweller, that’s where we’ll stay ranked. God forbid we have OL injuries like 2016.