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Lol. Do you really think Nicole Tepper did the trade itself or do you think she dialed the Steelers as a former minority owner to grease the skids? I read that and also found this one nugget where in February Thomas Brown talks about needing a point guard. It also mentions Brown collaborating with Reich on evaluations, again in February. It was April after the pick that Tepper talked about being Young as a point guard and potentially not needed Moore. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/23/panthers-oc-thomas-brown-introductory-press-conference-qb/ https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/28/2023-nfl-draft-panthers-owner-david-tepper-bryce-young-day-2-picks/ Lots of people used that as the Tepper made the decision on Young and forced him down the throats of others. Personally, I think Fitt, Reich and everyone else did decide on Young and talked about the point guard aspect in selling it to Tepper and making everyone ok with throwing in Moore. That also doesn’t mean that these guys didn’t like Stroud and Richardson, they still liked Young more.

It’s going to piss us off if a trade like this happens. 2022 trades we turned down: Moore for pick 15 in 2023 Burns for pick 36 in 2023, 2024 1st and 2025 1st 2023 trades we made: Moore for a 2nd or 3rd round value based on Rams trade up for Goff, even though they started at pick 15 not pick 9 (hint we basically threw in Moore) Burns we don’t know yet

Never said Rams 2023 1st. I think you misread something. I mentioned that we should have traded Moore to GB for 2023 pick 15 last year instead of including him for Young. I believe it was mentioned early in the Young trade that we got to keep our 2025 1st (just send 2025 2nd) by including Moore. We got way less value for Moore than we would have gotten last year. Seems to track with likely getting less value for Burns this year as well. I said that we would have had 2023 pick 36 as part of the Burns deal along with the Rams’ next two 1sts. Next two drafts being 2024 and 2025.

You said it. The offer from the Rams was a fleecing. Remember the 49ers started slow and Jimmy was I think already dinged up. The Rams saw a window knowing they were going to have to jettison some guys (Floyd, Ramsey, etc.). They even enquired about CMC, probably a better deal than SF since their 2nd rounders diverged and we got the one almost a round lower (25 picks to be exact). If we trade Burns for this now, you have to fire the GM. We could have had pick 15 in the last draft for Moore instead of throwing him in so we keep our 2025 1st and trade our 2025 2nd. We could have gotten pick 36 in this draft as well, which with a simple trade up (Arizona gave up pick 33) could have been our young TE like La Porta who went 34th. Oh, we’d also have the Rams next two 1sts. Heck, the Rams first were considered better at the time so maybe we could have used those or GB’s pick for Young and our own 2024 pick might still be in our pocket.

It is funny, isn’t it. I blame him for keeping bad GMs and hiring bad coaches. I just find it really funny how he’s becoming a scapegoat for everything like Rhule did. Doesn’t mean either of them were good or don’t deserve blame but they both were used to say things like Fitterer has done well but Rhule (and now Tepper) hamstrung him and Reich always wanted Richardson, I mean Stroud since he’s doing better, and Rhule’s/Tepper’s wife was running the draft. Reich and Rhule were poo coaches. Hurney and Fitt were poo GMs. Tepper is responsible for them but dear lord, he’s not calling plays and making every decision.

Dude, we are the worst team in the league. I don’t get your attempt to put lipstick on a pig. We are one of 5 teams with multiple D TDs. The other 27 have 1 or none. Even with that, it still doesn’t matter. We are in a boat with NE, NYG and Denver, but they’ve at least won a game. The Giants have had a brutal schedule (Dallas, Miami, Buffalo and SF). Patriots at least kept the Philly and Miami games close. Denver had one horrific game but has kept every other game close. We’ve had two close games, one because we had a 99 yard interception TD and the other because of a score with 1 minute left against prevent.

If the Dolphins hadn’t run up the score against Denver and scored 70, we’d easily be the worst D in the league. Outside of both teams games against Miami, we’ve given up 14 more points in our other 5 than Denver has in their other 5.

We are one of 5 teams with more than one Defensive TDs. 15 teams have none. Our offensive production is terrible. 2 TDs by the D and tons of garbage time scores.

2017 was our last good draft where we got more than 1 impact player, not just an Ian Thomas starter player. We’ve traded away 2 drafts worth of picks in the past 3 off-seasons.

Can’t tell you how much grief I got for saying our depth is poor, even before our most of our offensive weapons confirmed our worst fears (only Theilen has exceeded). We gave up a 2nd, 4th and 6th for Darnold, a 5th for Mayfield, a 3rd for CJ, a 3rd and 4th for Corral, 3rd and 4th for DJ Johnson, and DJ Moore, 2 2nds and 2 firsts for Young. All those picks were traded/used in the last 3 drafts. That’s 2 day 1 picks, 6, yes 6, day 2 picks and 5 day 3 picks in 3 off-seasons with Fitterer and not one of the players we got can be labeled as above average. Throw in the fact that we used CMC’s picks for Young and DJ Johnson and it’s easy to see how we created a massive talent hole.

Honestly, outside of Dallas, at Jax, at Miami and at Detroit, we had a pretty cake schedule. I think that’s why everyone expected us to improve from last year.

2020 was the perfect time to truly rebuild. Damn, we fuged that up.

Gotta remember, Tepper is El Diablo. You are correct about this, just like the dozens of articles talking about how Frank, Fitt and the scouts were all on the same page with Young.

Depends on if Tepper is the one you hate the most or not. If Tepper is the devil, it was Frank’s epiphany that Brown will be better for the team than Tepper telling Frank what plays to call. If Tepper isn’t the devil, it was during one of the meetings with Frank where Tepper asked him why he hadn’t handed over play calling to Brown and Frank had no answer except maybe it will be better.

And were told a bunch of lies like we wanted to be vanilla because we think we can win the division with our first two games are NO/Atl and you guys just can’t see what they are trying to work on so the poor play calls are exactly what we were trying to do. I wonder where that @Gerry Greenfella went off to as we got to 0-6. Also, I really hope we do see something. I’m worried that it’s still going to be the Theilen show.

True and we are also pretty bad at valuing the talent we keep over the talent we let go.

Well, at least they give you a handjob for only $5 after bending you over for $8k.

PJ 1-0 Chosen 5-1 CMC 5-1 (only loss to PJ) Baker 3-2 Reddick 5-1 DJ 1-5 Record sucks but #5 in yards and #2 in TDs for WR Heck, Kyle Allen, Daquan Jones and Gilmore are looking good for playoffs.

I agree. It shows complete and utter ignorance on roster building. This off-season was literally about RBs and how they are getting stiffed and not paid at all. The elite RBs are being forced to take franchise tags. Along comes Fitterer who signs a 4 year deal for the highest FA RB money to a guy who benefited from being on a great team, which realized they could replace him for pennies on the dollar and did.

He still has his supporters in here who are now on a it’s all Tepper or Tepper’s wife’s fault movement. He’s been terrible since day 1. I have no doubt Rhule was influential on decisions but those crappy reaches with trade ups and terrible signings while wasting money have carried on without Rhule. Dude has single handedly traded away almost two drafts of value plus CMC/Moore for Young, CJ, DJ Johnson, Corral, Darnold and Baker. He just didn’t want to get 3 firsts and 1 second last year for Moore and Burns. SMH.

It was amazing. Floyd is $9M this season and will likely be a but more than half of what we pay Burns longer term. I’m glad for Moore looking great this year but we should have traded him for Green Bay’s 1st last year as well compared to the pick swap (2nd instead of 1st) we got this year. We lost a ton of value by waiting and trying to win our putrid division. I wanted to make the playoffs because hell, we didn’t do any trades but even if we made it, we get stomped by Dallas like Tampa did.

How much is Burns out snapping YGM? What’s the comparison per snap?

I was thinking that watching that game. Former Panther QBs are 4-2 and we are 0-6.

This is one of the games we could win. No idea if we will but Houston isn’t Detroit or Miami.

2 1sts and pick 36 in the last draft. It was such a good offer Also, for those of you who always say edge rushers are so hard to find, blah, blah. Just like Reddick was a FA a couple year ago like Judon as well, I’m watching Leonard Floyd who has 6.5 sacks this year after being released by the Rams this offseason. It’s really not as hard as people think and the rest of the bounty would have been nice for Young to get some weapons.