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Corbett ain’t good and why are we ignoring Dowdle?

It’s so frustrating watching his balls float like that. Horn should have caught it regardless but you’re bringing the DB there who likely knocks it away anyway. The people who said Young’s problem is something other than his arm surely aren’t watching the games because his arm strength is absolutely his biggest issue. We could have easily scored on that drive if he just had the ability to hit the open guys before the DBs got back into the plays.

We’ve had opportunities to take 2 of the top 5 Cs in the game and instead we took TMJ and Johnathan Brooks. Our drafts since 2017 have been 1 player per draft and then huge misses on lots of really good NFL players (who the huddle have talk about in the draft threads). It’s been mentioned here so many times to draft more OL once you get to the 2nd and beyond since C/G talent is top tier in day 2 and lots of surprise day 3 guys. Taking Brooks over Frazier just looks worse and worse as our OL helps Chuba and Rico look great and Frazier would be a large improvement over Mays.

And honestly, Metcalf was right there but didn’t play the ball well at all.

We only have 5 sacks which is dead last. Some teams have 20-30. Our pass rush is atrocious, worst in the league. That’s why we’re 22nd in scoring defense even with a shutout. That Atlanta game helps our rankings so much, but we’ll likely trend down over the season as it counts for 6% instead of 17%. Personally, the yardage numbers can be deceiving which is why I like scoring defense as a better representation. We of course look way better than last year but I wouldn’t consider it a top 10 defense yet.

Nope, you are correct. 3rd is the Bills one row above us.

Agreed. When this first came up, someone posted that Young had been behind in the 4th quarter of 39 of 40 games. Some of those will be close and we pull out a win. Because we’ve basically always been behind, I’d bet that Young is far and away the leader in potential GWDs. I sure don’t feel like we’ve won a lot of games since we are 10-30 with Bryce. This year is our best year so far, but this is as cherry picked as you can get with a stat.

Funny part about the Clausen comparison is that had we not traded away the farm to get Young, the rookie year results were similar (1-9 vs 2-14) and we got the #1 overall pick after both rookie years. Had we tried to tank better (trade Burns and Moore for 3 1sts and 1 2nd) and just picked Bryce without trading, we might have had Cam #2. We’ll never know but the comparison isn’t as far off as you think. Bryce was better since Jimmy was even more hot garbage but with our bad trade up (Bryce wasn’t worth it), he avoided a Josh Rosen type situation. By the way, I’m enjoying the wins so far but I thought it was interesting that both led to the #1 pick after rough rookie starts.

He was awful pass blocking. Only thing he did wrong but it was bad. I think he gave up at least one sack and multiple pressures. It wasn’t even mediocre, it was barely touching blitzers, almost like he was trying to slide by them and not actually make contact.

I’m not complaining at all, not that you were mentioning me. We had a great time watching the win. I still agree that I don’t think Young is the guy. If we somehow got to the SB, it would be because he Trent Dilfered it. I still don’t see him as the guy we can compete for a title with but it’s been way more fun to watch with my son who went to the Miami game. Our schedule gets tough though so who knows.

This. GWDs with no context invalidate a QB playing well and not turning the ball over and getting behind. If you play well and win easily, why is that less special than winning games where multiple TOs got your team behind? Is the post above really trying to say he’s as good as Cam? If this team had Cam, ooh wee it would be way more fun. Cam may not have even had a GWD in 2015 because of how often we jumped out to leads, should he give back his MVP?

If anyone wants a laugh, on the XP after Tucker (Tampa) ran for a TD, the ball boy tried to catch the ball on a bounce and it went through his hands and hit him square in the face. His head snapped back and his dark mop of hair accentuated the snap back and forth. I’m sure it’ll be on social media. Even my wife laughed when I showed her.

lol. We were in our own tier before the Miami game.

Made zero sense. He literally called timeout as it hit zero.

Bizarre. There’s literally no reason to call it at that point. Dude is legitimately horrible. Then Hurts follows it up with a scramble/run where they had no chance to line up for a spike. Not even close.

That might be true. No way to know but with all the picks we wouldn’t have wasted on Darnold, Baker, Corral and Young and having DJ Moore and CMC (Samuel and Robbie too, year 1), there’s probably a way better chance that he wouldn’t have busted. Unfortunately, we’ve had poo everywhere but maybe Rhule and Marty would’ve done OK. I’m still sure that our talent level would be much better by not having to trade CMC, Moore and all those damn picks to end up with Young at the end.

Right, but again, we used 2 1sts when we just had our 2nd best rushing game ever on a low cost FA acquisition. Chubba has almost half the rushing yards that Stewart had for his career. I just think we list every Hurney first as if they were all amazing and some were just OK (for firsts) at not marquee positions. His best legacy was that the 1st rounders didn’t bust a ton like the rest of his rounds.

Man, this revisionist history on Marty is funny. He was great at 1st rounders although I think we way overrate some of the players. For example, Stewart and Williams were solid but neither is in the top 50 in rushing in NFL history. They had 2 pro bowls in 22 combined years. Again, he rarely missed like Otah or the trades, but we went to the playoffs 3 times in his 14 years as a GM. I think “his” best team was 2015, which a collab with Gettleman who IMHO did a good job of filling around Luke, Cam, Greg and Norman to get a great DL (Star, Short, Ealy, Allen) and OL (Norwell, Turner) that was one good ref’d and coached game away the peak.

Love Brown, but we would be better off if we had Herbert. Imagine a world where we didn’t have to roll through all the QBs we have since Teddy. Imagine adding to that not wasting 2 1sts, 3 2nds and a few 3rd/day 3 picks on Sam, Baker, Corral and Young. Our 2023 1st might have been Jalen Carter to help ease the need for Brown. Pretty sure I’d take the Herbert avenue and still have Moore and CMC for Herbert. I’d also have still traded Burns for the bounty!

We should never have hired Morgan. I don’t trust him at all. The right hand man to Fitterer that agreed with not trading Burns should not have been hired. Fitterer should also have been gone with Rhule. The whole we should see how X does without Y so X deserves another year but us in the ass multiple times.

Let’s be honest here. This draft was so much worse when you realize how much we lost too. This draft was honestly a negative. We lost talent and picks. So we got 0 long term effective starters and we lost: 2024 1st overall pick, 2024 2nd (CMC trade key pick), 2025 2nd and DJ Moore. Oh, don’t forget the 2024 1st, 2025 1st and 2024 2nd that we decided wasn’t enough for Burns. That was 6-7 months before the 2023 draft. Fitterer could not have fuged this team over any more than he did in a period of 7 months. 7 months to lose Burns, Moore and CMC, lose 5 potential 1st round picks and blow an entire draft. I hope he was getting paid by the Seahawks or China to fug us that bad.

It does. Had we traded Burns and Moore for 3 1sts and a 2nd when we traded CMC, we likely don’t finish as well and maybe we don’t have to give up the farm for Young or maybe we luck into Stroud dropping. See my post earlier where me just missed out on a lot of talent because we had 5 wins, not 4 wins.

Did you read anything in my post? My point is that sometimes (to us in particular), one additional win knocked us out of the spot where game changers were drafting. No offense, but getting Herbert over Brown and Parsons, Karlaftis and Porter Jr over Horn is franchise changing. There is a difference in picking 1st to 3rd versus 8th to 10th. As much as you want to deflect, it gets you better players and huge trade offers instead of having to trade the world for Young since you’ve got pick 9.

Reminds me of 2018 when teams realized that Cam’s dink and dunk success early with Norv was also due to his shoulder being shot. After they did, no one played deep and we finished 1-7 that year. Cam didn’t finished that year and played 2 games the next before being shut down.

Lol. I’ll never understand this. Wishing that we end up with worse talent at the draft seems counterproductive to the goal. I’ll give you some examples: 1. We missed out on Herbert because of 1 win. Love Brown but having a real QB would be nice. Finished 5-11 and lost Herbert to SOS tiebreakers. 2. 1 win versus Rivera and we got Horn instead of pick 3, which is where SF gave 3 firsts to trade up for Lance. Here’s who we could have gotten instead: 2021 #12 Micah Parsons, 2022 #29 George Karlaftis (we wouldn’t draft a G), #102 - Assume we waste that, and 2023 #29 based on what it seemed like we liked, either Joey Porter Jr or maybe La Porta. Heck, maybe we use Mingo’s pick and move up from #29 to get a real WR between Njigba-Smith, Addison, Flowers or Johnston. Might have even been enough to avoid the XL fiasco and get DeJean or Frazier. Anyway, you can knock tankers all you want but having Herbert, Parsons, Karlaftis a real WR over Mingo could have changed our team. Don’t even care if Rhule was still here because we’d have made the playoffs in spite of him, especially if the real WR caused us to not draft XL. People want to stick their heads in the sand and call the draft random but there is undeniable proof that this team would be way better if we just went 4-12 instead of 5-11 in 2019 and 2020.