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Here is what they will do: trade him on someone else’s terms, taking pennies on the dollar. Add that to what they paid for Young so far because that is where they will dump the returns. You are gonna have Moore, the top pick this year, the number 9 pick last year, two seconds, and the proceeds from Burns.

It is true about the opportunities, situational stuff. It's turning our strengths against us. That is a nice trick if you can do it.The only way to get the opponents off of that horse is to score points. We benefit most from having Burns when he is rushing the passer, his strength. That is it. And it follows that our goal needs to be to force that situation. Get him in a tee off scenario. It all comes back to impotency of the offense. You know, all those guys and coaches not named Bryce, need to step it up. [Man I get tired of the negatives all the time, but where are the positives? It’s like you have to make them up.]

That last pic, Young’s torso is longer and his legs look real short. He is just really small. I don’t know what Murray ends up being but I would have stayed away from him too. I’d rather live with missing out on a guy than be saddled with a wasted pick and all that goes with that, because I ignored the reality of history and track record of these kind of outliers. And my eyes. Also the first time we played Murray he was physically impressive in his performance. He was cat quick even if he wasn’t big, and you knew you had to be careful with that or you are burned. There is nothing there to see with Young.

The ship hasn’t sailed on at least getting something decent for Burns. Just have to be patient. If he refuses a long term deal near the tag value (not near 30 mil), with real incentives added in, you just have to tag him and start working towards the trade deadline. Someone with something to play for will pay something to put him in their ready to go defense. You only need two competitive teams where that kind of help could decide which one advances, and a trade deadline. Dan Morgan will be looking good about then.

Wilson’s arm is better than what we have. I try not to think about that. He still floats those rainbows up there for whoever can come down with it. One silver lining I guess, Canales knows what to look for in a jump ball WR.

You heard of never Trumpers? I am a never Wilson. Never. Keep him far away.

Maybe shorter 90% of all people. 99.9% of NFL quarterbacks. In the history of the NFL. I think there was a guy named Eddie LeBaron that admitted to being 5’7” - which is shorter than Young by maybe an inch, if the truth was admitted to. And that was in the ‘50s when an offensive guard could be probably 225# and had to sell insurance in the offseason.

20 mil when he wants 30? Do. It. Time for hardball. If I am Dan Morgan I ask him if he thinks Tepper cares about 20 million when there is a point to be made about his football team. He will know the answer. I tell him, pick a team. You want to go there, you play your ass off under the tag this year and we will tag and trade you next year to that team. And we will be easy to deal with. Your alternative is we tag you and if we feel like you are not giving us 110% at any time, you will sit for the year. There will be no trade. We will tag you again and you will sit for that entire season as well. It will truly be “a contract year”.

He’s been, and will continue to be, coddled here. At least a while longer. I am hoping the overcompensation doesn’t get out of hand with this draft. Got to be BPA or awful close. With Bryce, pre draft last year... It’s just that all the things added up. All the shortcomings (puns write themselves) amount to hurdles and how many do you want to have to overcome? They were adding up. I am thinking, at the time, why do you pay extra to deal with that? You don’t, is the right answer.

Not singling you out per se but it looks like a spot for the height thing. It isn’t the biggest deal to me, it wasn’t what I focused on. I never got much past my questions on athleticism and arm strength not being plusses, or strengths. Anyhow, he is tippy toeing according to people that did focus. I have never tried to throw tippy toed, but I am thinking it is not an advantage.

Agree about the arm and feet. It was just so tiresome a claim when it was so obviously not applicable. Edit to add: I hope they don't neglect the defense while throwing good “money” after bad over there in offense land. 1st and overall biggest resource dedicated to offense: brand new coaching staff. I know they’ll get more players according to what the coach wants. So looking at the draft as an inevitable over compensation offensively, who fits what Canales is looking for?

Cool thanks.

Going to One was unnecessary, in any event. And when you allow non professionals into the decision making mix you get confusion.

I see the most interesting angle as: how to put it - a Dan Morgan referendum. Who is he as a team builder? Is he going to separate himself from Fitterer and Tepper’s draft philosophies (well, Fitterer’s anyway, Tepper is just sees something shiny, wants it)? Are we going to see different types of players valued? Off topic... I am sorry but people that bought Young and Drew Brees did zero homework. I got so tired of seeing it that I looked at the actual size and weight of Brees and Young. Using Brees as the baseline or center point, take the difference between him and Young, go the other way with it.... you are into prototypical size QBs. That is how far Young is from Brees in the other direction. IOW give Bryce 25lbs and he gets to Brees. Give Brees the same and he gets to a beautiful prototypical size. It is a different strata.

BPA. We held Canales’s offense to 3 FG in a game that they needed, while we had nothing to play for. They had a better QB than Bryce.

I can easily picture Tepper making it clear through his tantrums that they were all just waiting for the axe to fall by the time Reich was out. If not weeks before. Brown was screwed from jump because that was too big a job for a first timer. I’d like to have been a fly on the wall after those first padded practices and the Jets scrimmages. It must have been like script writers realizing the producers hired actors who couldn’t pronounce half the words they needed to deliver the line. At the last run through.

Happy with Evero personally, though I wanted Wilks for HC. I think the season Wilks spent as DC here was the least impressive. He didn’t outright suck but it was different. Less it seemed. Loved him as DB coach and think he did the job as HC, mostly. I haven’t really followed SF’s season but don’t find it shocking that this happened.

You don’t do that if you were happy with him otherwise. Maybe they were done win or lose. Who knows? May have been some disagreement over the particular game or it could have been a disagreement about something regarding moving forward. I didn’t see any blatant reason why that loss goes on the defense. It was a team loss in most aspects, I’d say. So I mean, fired because of that game? If anything it was ‘the straw....’.

I only speed watched a condensed version. Just watching the game sort of out of duty. My takeaway was there were a couple of key fugups by a couple of players but overall I thought SF defense played well. There at the end Kelce started hurting them; they controlled him fairly well overall, to the point it looked like Purdy forgot about him. I’d have to go back and look for it to focus on his game in particular but Wilks could have been playing the don’t let Kelce beat you game. Until late. I guess I totally missed the stuff on the sidelines with Kelce fwiw. Haven’t even read an account of the game, maybe I am easier on them than a lot of people. They aren’t my team I am not much invested. They are probably sick over the many plays they could have made to earn a different outcome.

If they want Ickey at LT the best thing they can do is get the baddest ass edge guy to go against him in practice. The Peppers/Gross model was a good one.

Hoge, says what he thinks. Isn’t always right but he was so dead on with the arm limitations. I am afraid of him being right that Young can be good. Because he will always be limited. I hate limited in a QB. I guess it’s perspective, I can root for an overachiever if they stick to the underdog role. But you can get one cheap if that’s what you want to do. As opposed to selling me that this historically short, slight, limited overachiever is gonna tear up the NFL. See I don’t want to believe it because it is contrary to previous known football values. NFL style anyway. Immediately, I know I need to see why they say that. But then I am told I can’t see it because it is inside of him. What he has that makes him the best of all of these prospects, can’t be seen. Only football experts can understand it. But don’t worry, he has a good enough arm. Yeah. So I look for myself. What I can see, is not impressive. I have never understood why it was taboo to drop him as not NFL suited. Laud him as an all time great college player, for the college game. There have been many before him that were relegated to that. Afterthoughts in the draft, that may be able to make a roster but it ain’t college any more for them. In the end I am left ruing the day of the deed. Asking of no one in particular WHY did MY team have to be the ones to buck decades of hard earned knowledge about scouting the QB position? The misery....

Mike Maser wasn’t it? Got in his dog house. As far as kickers, Butker getting passed on, who was ST coach that year? I’d look there before looking at Hurney.

Bozeman had a baby, the wife did anyway. We forget that there are things outside the team that players have to deal with that does impact their football job. I knew he was gonna have a rough year when I saw that. Probably got zero sleep. Then goes to work where he has a baby he is snapping the ball to, and guys beside him that... well let me just say I don’t know if I have ever seen worse than Zavala. In general all you had to do is flip flop what gap you are rushing with your teammate and Panthers OL won’t touch you. Never seen such unintelligent OL play. I hate to say it but damn, Campen. That was a pretty poor job. I believe if they focus on the G positions Bozeman will be adequate for the rest of his deal.

There is a lot of stuff out there about what Canales did just last year. Reshuffling the OL is one thing I heard, I haven’t read much yet. I did see him claim they would have a good running game, they didn’t, really.

This guy was Qyburn. edit: And learning about him, and his firing, is the first Panthers news that has made me really smile since Tepper took over.