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I get that he is his own boss and advisor. I don’t know if he has experienced the vibes of thousands of loud pissed off fans all being aimed at him, personally. No crystal ball here, just anecdotal projections.

Ehh, it is in his control. If he doesn’t play any better it will be out of his hands and Tepper will have insane pressure to act. Send him to a hypnotist. Get him some roids. Do something

It seems like the choice is, keep Bryce and hate watching ball but we get a high end replacement. Or get Bryce out and get more watchable ball but short ourselves on the replacement? I suppose he could find himself a roid doctor or something.

I felt all along they were rejecting real competition, intentionally. Yeah. And I don't know what you do if you are a coach in this situation. You get into head games and not on field results when you reject any threats to the incumbent.

Yes. That is a very tough place to play and Dalton had the same guards blocking that Young did; I didn't think he would last but so many weeks before needing medical attention. [the bar being set low, definitely. Any time I watched another team last season they looked better. Didn't take much to do that, you lose perspective if all you watched was the Panthers last year.] It was none of the yardage or anything, it was about throwing downfield. Because we saw piss poor downfield for the first two games. It dominated the list of issues - in my head anyway. That early, we were seeing the offense for the first time or brand new and it was dysfunctional looking. Unbalanced. Missing that necessary component. Where was it? We saw it added back in with Dalton at the wheel. The 58 passes? No we don't want that kind of game. That goes to the different flavor of suck. But just seeing a deep throw that had a chance, felt much better.

They definitely were a silver lining. If that OL is fixed up good, everything gets easier.

I don't know. Week one has the track record of not being bankable across the board. I think what I would say is this is an example of the oddsmakers moving the line to get action on Carolina. Because people won't bite without it.

Might be? We knew what was going on though. The stepchildren of the team.

That is fair. But how many worse ones do you see? And we had a bad one last year that carried over. Could be more of the same, good odds of it. So, optimistic, pessimistic, realistic? What it is...

Chuba was off for some reason. He has been better than that more than once. And supposedly had worked very hard to up his capabilities and take advantage of his opportunity. He just wasn't as good as he needed to be. He needs to find whatever he lost.

Illogic abounds

That is a long standing rule of mine. I would defend that hill. But I 'over' reacted last year because I had never seen such... and I wasn't wrong at all. It was ugglee from day 1-365. They say the exception proves the rule. I couldn't say, but that poo was an exception alright. Because first week was absolutely a barometer. Sunday just felt a lot like that, but more focused on the one guy who fell way short of meeting expectations. Who knows. Just like the saying that it is never as bad as it looks nor as good as it look... maybe yes maybe no.

Can't ignore the entire gaslight media and NFL insider type people that said it was literally everything else. All he needed was ... everything just right. But they have almost all changed their tunes in a week. Obedient weathervanes that they are. The Buffalo preseason script was only just over two weeks ago. Which was pretty good but people just ran with it. Like we are running with what we are running with now, to be fair. Here it is though: as soon as stuff gets real he shows you that meandering drop stuff. And you know the re-training hasn't taken. (or, you should know). Not that it is an easy thing, but right now he ain't doing it. I don't expect that to work, really. You have to deal with what he is and get the most out of it somehow.

That is worst case. Or close enough. I think I am going to go find a replay of a good team playing. I sort of watched Colts/Texans it was entertaining and 'super' depressing at the same time. Hmmm. where are the most ex Panthers playing?

You might be right, and that is a 5 year setback at the minimum. 6 maybe. Worst case. And predictable.

Not old enough...

That would be something. All we need is the QB to be right to at least reach a a decent floor on offense. But the defense doesn't depend on one guy being right, there are multiple holes. I don't know. If the offense scores 17, it would be nice but not maybe enough.

Gettleman showed so much promise when he got here. That was over pretty quickly with me but I loved his 1st draft. edit: I hated his WR philosophy. Actually, right now, we still need a good WR drafting employee and we have a couple guys that have the WR background. Legette looked pretty good his first game too, so that is promising.

I am not advocating sucking. Just conditioned to anticipate it.

I guess my perspective is more, it might not take the whole year. If it doesn't what is the best thing? I am thinking a reasonable time to break in the rookies, to gel the OL working in sync especially pass protection, and just to give everyone a chance.. you probably get Brooks on the field. Etc. If he can make that work by week 8 or 9, keep running him out there. That is fair. But, if he stinks up the home field it won't be so forgiving. (may not make week 9) Week one (in a year) we did not expect to win a bunch to start with, but we expected some improvement. Most people, I guess I am saying. Obviously there are diverse viewpoints. The most reasonable people, IMO, have said they are not concerned with the record they just want to see some positive from 9. I'm in agreement. But he showed less than nothing after months of preparation.

that hoagie spread.....

I think we get a tip drill score from the defense. Pure luck funny bounce type stuff. So we might get 10 or 13 points.

I don't know about that. But, I would never pay for a vacation that had me attending a game to watch these Panthers. It's supposed to be fun. edit: and it would probably be appropriate for Tepper to insist that the Germans put down artificial turf for his visiting football team.

That poo was over when Fitterer and Reich showed each other their little secret choices.

Bryce Young is like paying $100 to hear a guy that can't even play in tune. We just want to stop the madness and enjoy watching someone that can play. Even a little. We would better off with a bar band.