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Yeah that’s right. I forgot about that. I liked Sam, but before he played… What a move.

Lol those shoes were for him to wear. About a size 6

I don’t really know how that option thing works, and was unsure if it transferred with a trade unless we did it. Obviously your scenario a better option.

You are supposed to be able to tell from Bryce Young? It’s like giving a chef dog food and expecting a seafood dinner.

I would take too many words to say that. That’s about how I read it. As to that option year, if they were going to trade him, wouldn’t it be desirable to have him controlled for 2026 and ‘27? That would be the only reason I could not go into a canniption fit over it. I hope Canales is doing his whisperer thing with Hooker because they way people are complaining he won’t get a chance to work with anyone decent.

Yep that is exactly how that went. No deep threat. This whole thing with Bryce, we are supposed to know first hand what happens when they don’t respect the deep ball. It is so damned ignorant to intentionally put yourself in a situation like we had with Cam, with a player who has none of Cam’s physical advantages to boot. So it’s gonna be even tougher and you are supposed to smart enough to know that.

He did a pretty good one last year I think. He does watch the film, at least I think it was him that said you can’t give a good take without doing that and plenty of guys were not watching film before giving their takes. I might be mistaking him for a different analyst. Much better version is for sure a relative term.

I see that last point I think there is a power struggle between Canales and Evero or somebody. With that language about ‘pushing for the young guys’, was it? That doesn’t say I am in charge. And that could be a problem. Beta style. You get this poo with offensive focused coaches. I have always preferred defensive guys because they keep you in the game. and other stuff. I am not a Canales man in the sense that I am like the Bryce people, fervent and stubborn (sorry y’all). I want to have a reason that makes sense to me to turn on him. Everyone has different standards. For instance I was done with Hurnry the first time he traded a future first. Fox, 2010 sealed it. I stay patient. This thing with Bryce is probably the only time I have railed against a draft pick. Pick swaps yes, players no. It is a special kind of stupid when I can immediately see it. Fwiw.

Maybe this is the rub: I am not convinced that he had the okay to seek an upgrade in waiting. He did bring Hooker in. I know that doesn’t seem like much but it might indicate a want. I am reminded of a back and forth on the Monday meetings we had last year and you atringly asserted that Tepper was meddling. Yet you are discounting the possibility, or the degree of it now maybe. Because he Could have put conditions on things like no undermining Bruce he gets every chance. Everything I have seen aligns with that Especially the 2024 draft fwiw. I believe Evero has Tepee’s backing and he got autonomy. Or could have. It is reasonable to assume that possibility especially given how lightly Canales has treaded discussing defensive issues and personnel. Food for thought.

See there is the rub. I don’t think he got a fair chance. So who would you turn to?

I’m not trying to be an asshole to you I am just frustrated I will just say that when people make agreements they need to follow through on them. My understanding of what was done and why it was done with Canales is that we knew we were hiring a guy that wasn’t ready. We agreed that we would give him time to be read to grow into it. I didn’t pick Canales but he had a track record of helping QBs. I never for a minute believed anyone could help Young be what he can never be. Ao you hand a green side a clusterfug and expect miracles right away. That could never work. But with some time and better QB to work with it might. People learn the guy is overwhelmed but not without merit. Peraonally I got slammed for saying I wasn’t thrilled with his positive and he sounds like a metrosexual beta to me. Not the hard nose ball coach I am used to I knn no ow he isn’t perfect but at some point we need to stick to a plan doegivw the typos I am on a tiny phone with big fingers. too many to fix

It seems obvious that Tepper placed conditions on their employment. I hope this has an expiration date.

I am not married to Canales but he severely handicapped by this situation. Anyone would be. Throw him out with the bath water and whatever. I want a new QB. I would cut him today. Anyone is better than him. Anyone. I have been looking at this poo for too long and am not having a good day with it very frustrated.

Damn I was talking about the lack of continuity in the wrong thread.

so you disagree that continuity has been a source of our dysfunction. Okey. The point is not moot.

No one is talking about a really bad situation that totally sets us up to fail, and that is no continuity. 7 years now almost since Rivera was sent packing and we have had NONE. At some point you have to be unshakeable. if you cut and run without giving Canales his QB and his staff, you repeat the dysfunction. I think that needs to be considered and I don’t see that happening with people here.

Whatever cope I have is coping with why the hell he is still playing. He sucks. I am fed up with being civil and explaining why to people. Without calling them blind. He isn’t an NFL player and that is what I have been coping with goi g on three lousy miserable years. The sooner he is gone the better off we will all be.

I think that is totally valid. When I look at it, it looks like we have basically two coordinators independent of each other. And he does not control the defense which seems to be decreed from above. ST ahead a horrible day but overall have not really been a problem. Muffed punts yeah but not unit wide collapse like yesterday. I am goi g to put that in a burn the tape category for them Leaving offense. And the offense is being brought down by the QB. Like it usually has been the previous seasons. I totally get that despite an agreement Tepper could break the agreement finding cause but that is being set up big time to fail.

When I think back to Bryce Young’s debut the biggest reaction, of many incredulous reactions, was to his lack of urgency. I remember being totally, well, shocked, I guess is the word. It was crystal clear I had no explanation or rationalization for it. He was still doing the crappy parallel to the LOS slow dropback. I think he has infected the whole team now. edit: at least the offense. I meant to say, I have become numb to it after years of it, I think, because it doesn’t look like that now it looks like what I am used to seeing on Sundays. I guarantee you, get him out of here and we get better.

You best do that before that bridge is set afire. edit: and the Bucs… they will only lay down if the seeding is already set.

He might get fired. But I don’t think he is so stupid as to not leave himself a life jacket if he has to abandon the SS Minnow. And that is what he did. Maybe he is that stupid It may not be a scenario where reason exists, and futile to apply reason to any analysis. But the reasoned analysis would tell you that not having that life preserver was because he was told he wouldn’t lose his job if Bryce failed.

I reminded me of the tactic of burning the bridge behind you so you can’t retreat. Sink or swim.

Snipped the bulk off just to focus on the finish. The first thing about show him how much it means to us, is the only thing that could possibly work but I don’t have enough faith in him having that kind of empathy. We know the stories about him his brass balls and tearing down his ex boss’ house. The shaming, I think would push him to leave.

What league would those teams play in? Because it isn’t the NFL.

I haven’t listened to it but if Vrabel didn’t get a different QB for his Panthers squad I can’t agree. But here is the thing with that: if you told Vrabel he was tied to Bryce for two years, he would not accept the job, IMO. He doesn’t have to. Canales was only getting a job as HC if he accepted that condition