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He fits in Carolina, go get him. Exactly what we value in a QB.

I found a place that said 3rd round. I stopped there. That might be more realistic than getting a 1st or 2nd round player for ILB. And He is a little small.

It certainly was much better, and what you cite was part of it too. But they were not thinking long term. They were thinking we have to make this happen now, or we might not be here.

Seriously you guys need to wake up and accept some basic stuff about the 2024 draft. We had new GM and new HC that were given a mandate. Maximum emphasis must be placed on propping the disaster that was Bryce Young coming off that rookie season. You know, the one got a mostly new coaching staff brought in. They were not really looking to trust a rookie C to make those calls and at the same time desperately wanted a pass catching RB to bail his scrawny ass out of trouble, with his little outlet throws. His specialty. Brooks was supposed to be ready for camp. However it worked out, wasn’t what had they in mind. It ended up worst case. Oops. But that’s what they had in mind.

Confusing. But, bring on those comp picks, let’s hire another AA DC.

Fwiw I just hit my link and it went to 2026 - but with different graphics than your link. Cue that Wayne’s World deal where they make their own sound effects.

People remind us of that all the time. By year two we probably had a better OL, in sum, than Cam did most years. We have good running backs. It isn’t all a tale of completely dysfunctional woe, with Bryce having no help. Every Bryce person seemingly, loves to tout the big time throws and all their stats, okay. That PFF page on him says 4 games of 16 regular season games with at or above a 100 passer rating, qbr, whatever it was. 11 games with under 200 yards passing including one with 40 yards net. Seahawks. They have him ranked 23d of 45 that they ranked. Putting our team’s QB 23rd out of 32 teams. In what people claim as his best season. That is officially number 1 alright, of the bottom third in the league. And they pick up the year option. He may do great next year. Or he may sit right where he has been mostly sitting - mid to low 20s. I understand we are committed to seeing him under center yet another make or break season. Thought we just went through one. Weill be doing that over. Mulligan. My question, f he is no better than 20th next year… do we have to do this again? in 2027?

To follow up, can’t edit. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/bryce-young/123943 His PFF page. He is listed at overall grade 70.5. 26th of 43 that were graded and ranked. A little lower than I would have guessed (which was 22nd, 23rd).

He actually ranked 19th? Higher than I thought. Maybe two more years and a couple more 1st round skill players he makes it all the way to 15 or so.

Even Cam. Just hoping Bryce is the next one. I’ll take my chances. It isn’t about what he does at that point it will be about what we do. Same as with Sam, Baker, Cam…. If we do well, it doesn’t matter what they do.

Thanks. Too late to edit mine. This is weird. I took it right off the page where that stuff was. The weirder part is the page looks totally different graphic wise using your link.

Shorten the list to two (or three) QBs and it does that job.

On offense, yes I agree that we are missing good QB play. He has not shown he can throw us out of being made one dimensional, against good defenses. The ones that can clamp our run game down. He has had a few legit decent games and a couple three really good games. Problem is, he started 17 games.

The draftek site has us drafting Connor Lew Auburn at #51. Which according to their rankings makes it a 10 spot reach. He is their top rated C. https://www.drafttek.com/2026-NFL-Mock-Draft/2026-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round-2.asp I don’t know how to rate draft sites. That one is easy to navigate

Back to XL, I am not there to know how dense he is when it comes to coaching and the lessons offered and how long it takes for him to absorb that. I suspect he needs more time for that stuff. Than the next guy. And whether it would help or not I think he would have a better chance with more attention than I think he gets. You wanna say he should hire his own coach? I wouldn’t disagree with that at all. Because he needs more coaching.

I don’t know. I don’t feel like they should play hardball with him unless they don’t want to pay him later. He could get alienated given what he just did in the playoffs. If I were him I would think I had proven my worth. Course I don’t know and am not trying to say I am right and you are wrong. Just my perception of things.

I look at it like a quarter of the season is lower quality football. The veteran teams will likely fare better because they have a lot of experience together to fall back on. A team like us with a bunch of new people, it hurts us.

I estimate a two year deal with them buying his RFA year. And his agent not wanting to lock him in for longer.

There is a point there. I think it is also fair to recognize that Belichick failed to develop a successor. With ample time over all those seasons. It reinforces the school of thought that a lot of the success is due to who your QB is. No matter how good a defensive mind you are.

I am saying it isn’t that as much as the lack of practice time in pads.

I got interested here because of Ricky Williams. Does Ricky Williams even have a case for the HOF? I had never considered him as a candidate. I looked it up. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillRi00.htm He had one killer season. 1800+ rushing yards. Did break 1000 yards rushing I think 5 times. 4 times in his first 5 years, only once in the 6 years afterwards. Pretty pedestrian numbers for season totals a few of those later years. I say no he wouldn’t get in herb or no herb, but I learned something. I did not realize he played for 11 years (with one full year suspension sandwiched in there). I had him in my mind as like a 7 or eight year player.

Look at the quality of play in the first few weeks. It is clear. Nowadays the season is the training. They only get better from real in game experience. It does not get drilled in, in the offseason nor in training camp.

BTW some context on why I get my back up over these comparisons. Rodgers is still playing but is likely HOF. Only Eli, off of that list, is not. I think. Choosing HOF players for comparison is the same tactic used in his rookie year when it was Manning had a horrible rookie year, Aikman had a horrible rookie year, etc. It excludes all the shitty QBs that had bad rookie years, and bad second seasons, and never rose above mediocrity and had short or unremarkable careers. There are many more of them than there are HOF QBs. Cherry picked comparisons, placing Bryce in the company of these highly accomplished QBs.

I feel like he has earned a substantial raise and think he will get one. Two year deal, enough to set him for life. Not his descendants, but there is a time for that.

If you want to apply that to XL or any other player that is one thing. It does not work with 11 guys working as 1. Just doesn’t. The quality of play in the NFL has declined, even while the quality of the athletes has progressed. Increased. And the limits on practices and drilling as a unit are the primary reason why. Secondary cause would probably be the rule changes that hurt the defense and take real hitting and intimidation out of the game. Debatable third reason might be the colleges not even trying to run pro style offenses, and the league going with the path of least resistance and switching to backyard football. Which hurts the running backs I think, and probably has led to their devaluation. That’s another issue for another day.