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Maybe people need to have a reasonable filter to help them differentiate exaggeration for effect from serious claims.

Yeah and I am doubtful he can offer that consistently. I don’t have many years left at my age and in my view we have wasted two and this whole exercise with him was always a three year minimum. I am out on that with a guy I don’t believe in, and never believed in, it has sucked. To me it is a costly detour off the right track. Years. But I am not so rigid that I can’t see excellence. He needs to display it though, consistently before I change my outlook.

Exactly. And the flame throwers as well, get location benefits from not going all out. But they have it in reserve. Not sure how much Greg had but he was an artist. There was a YouTube I came across last year or maybe even 2023 and I don’t how to even find now but it had two NFL QBs I want say one was Carr from the Raiders but I don’t really remember The point of it is they stood side by side throwing identical distances to identical targets. Radar gun was used. They threw the normal effort (not all out) and it was measured etc. Then they were asked to throw their ‘fastball’. They were missing and most often they were missing high. It demonstrated the same principle. edit: and applying that to arm strength, give me the guy that doesn’t need max effort to have good velocity. The margins are so narrow with less velocity in tne NFL the defenders can Close on it and this is a league where they value down to the 100th of a second level. It is that tight

He has done it before. Stand in and plant and step up into pressure making the throw. There was a pretty good play on Sunday where he was in tight quarters and hung in there. He did it when he came back last year. But in preseason he was bailing again plain as day. Hearing footsteps, avoiding being hit. I don’t know. He just doesn’t stick with it.

You are characterizing skepticism or negative perception as rage and hate and vitriol and whatever else. Then you say they/we need to rein in the hyperbole. Ironic because I view your choice of words there as hyperbole. That said there is fear that he will do just enough to fool people into seeing him as the future and give him more time. Yet another year. I am there and feel like we need a very clear answer and want it this year. I don’t want to be in the same position again next year. Like, I really don’t want that. He has to tear it up for me to believe it isn’t a temporary thing and he’ll just go back to the annual week one and week two complete suckage routine. Again.

I think at some point you top out what God gave you. He can use leverage via his mechanics to maximize what he has and When he pays attention to it the throws are better. IMO as a layman a lot of it is what kind of ‘headroom’ you have. The guys who are gifted don’t have to use maximum effort to get good results and stay within themselves but they have it in reserve. They can do an arm throw for substantial distance without max effort. I think what we may be seeing with these ‘lasers’ is a throw that Bryce puts the max effort into and does his mechanics right and has his base right and it works together. To get to the payoff here, I think his best velocity throws take dall that whereas a naturally gifted guy doesn’t need to go full effort to get that same velocity. I have said this three or four times over the years and it never gets picked up on but the accuracy is more consistent with an easier motion and max effort can produce less predictable location. It is a baseball pitcher thing but it applies to throwing a pass too. It isn’t that you can’t make an accurate throw with full effort it is just not as reliably accurate to the same degree. Someone said something about his pro day and that is where I saw it too. He took a little extra step on the deep throws. Some call it a hitch but I don’t see it that way because I don’t see it on shorter throws. He does it trying to get distance. I saw that and just wanted no part of it at 1.1 . That is not tne characteristic of a 1.1 passer. He should have been at best, late first I had him second day. Of course I am no one and certainly not a pro evaluator, it is just that he was so easy to suss out. It is kind of in your face obvious. They must have thought they could fix him. Changing a lifelong throwing motion with the footwork tied into it is not fuging easy. Anyone that had decent success with ‘their’ way and tried to change it to get more, can tell you that.

It might be his biggest problem. The offense’s biggest problem is the limitations on tne playbook. You can’t open it up. But am sure I will be quickly put in my place by someone who is really smart.

Yeah I do. Somewhat. He didn’t decide to do it on his own he reacted to someone telling him to do it. In a nanosecond. I mean I am happy we got the ball back. But I do t have a hard on to run him off over it. We know he isn’t exactly a genius I would want to run him off if he did it again.

Okay. I finally found it and put it up a couple pages back.

I agree that he plays scared and far too often. I go to game 3 2024 Andy vs LV. The exact play, I don’t remember but what I do clearly remember is Andy stood tall in the face of pressure and stepped into a throw knowing he was gonna get hit. Made the throw, took the hit, made the play - pretty sure it was downfield. When Bryce came back in in garbage time it wasn’t long before I saw him do that. And I knew he had seen Andy and understood that if he wanted it, that is how he was going to have to play. But it didn’t last. This season he was back to bailing out saw it in preseason and knew it was the old Bryce. Playing not to get hit. Sometimes you have to pay the price or you don’t make the play. I get him being skittish. Could I do it? I was pretty much his size in high school. I bet I would try but getting killed a couple of times would probably have me acting just like him. But if he doesn’t sack up, pay attention to his mechanics, and remain diligent about that, he won’t make it.

Meaning it wasn’t his idea.

Well Jon Snow says in another thread he has seen it. So I will apologize for calling you out. but at the same time you should know that the guys in these daily threads are not saying that stuff. Because we are not. There were long arguments about a 20 yard pass being a deep ball. but no one in those threads claimed he couldn’t throw it twenty yards. The distance stuff starts to come in at twice that distance. And Hail Marys and such.

Thank you for speaking up. I can’t see how anyone would take that to be serious. It is one of those exaggerations for effect I guess. I forget sometimes how people do when the are desperate to make a point. So you guys and your 5 yards and 25 yard claims, I apologize but also maybe you should consider the source on some of these things.

The indulgence he has been afforded causes me to wonder what the bar is for ‘shitting the bed’.

It would have to be the bad influence factor for me to endorse it. The money they can deal with. I believe there was dead cap from it as it is.

An extra squirrel at dinner time would do it.

Yeah I didn’t see the point of that.

I don’t believe in him as our guy for the next however many years and want this to be resolved. he has mostly played bad football. Mixed with decent and a little bit of really good. When the game is being played I don’t root against him I want to see good football and be competitive. before and after, I am ready for them to pull the plug. I am most afraid he does borderline okay and they see it as okay let’s give him another year. 4 years. Unless he morphs into a pro bowl leveled and stays there, I can’t abide I am pretty tired of 2.5 years of mostly bad football by him and then hearing poor Bryce the team around him sucks he has no one to help him. That needs to be over and done with. respectfully

Okay I think they get to this at 10:30 I can’t link it to start at that place for some reason. Anyhow it isn’t the most awful thing but in the moment it got my attention. These local radio people are generally loathe to call Young out the way they did here.

I didn’t even say it. So I can’t reason it out like you want. The radio guys said it and the said the whole stadium was there, time for him to go. I wish I could find it so I don’t misrepresent their words but feel pretty safe just saying the stadium. Until the improbably turnaround. It was a pretty strong take and I know they had refrained from going there with him in the past.

I am all out of knowing what to think. Especially about what his posse says about him being the guy.

I can’t find the interview because I must not know their names. I’ll keep looking You would have had to sit him for the team. Locker room Didn’t that make 3 of 5 games he had imploded and put the team in a huge hole, pretty much single handedly?

I am not convinced his personal is past high teens. That is peak. He has to be somewhere in the 20s right now and that fluctuates week to week. The Miami game, the local ESPN duo Chris Rae and partner did a postgame and said his teammates saved his job. That the whole stadium and I think including the press box (them for sure) had him benched and done. And his teammates saved him Unlike these claims that people say he can’t throw 5 yards and 25 yards, this happened. I’ll find the clip. Two weeks ago.

Where does this completely new claim of people lying about his arm strength like this 5 yard claim, and another right now today that claims ‘people’ say he can’t throw 20 yards, where is this coming from?

I sure haven’t seen it either. There is a ton of reframing and twisting critical comments and putting words into peoples mouths going on the last couple of weeks. Not good faith debate.