LinvilleGorge

So they plan on losing?

We might be willing to trade him to get a franchise QB. Other than that, I fully expect him to be here and be re-signed.

Every indication I've seen is that Burns is absolutely in our long-term plans. Trading for Watson doesn't do anything for LT.

Why? I'd honestly rather take a shot at a mid-round rookie than give Darnold $5M as a backup. If you're playing Darnold you're already fuged anyway so if you're gonna be fuged it might as well be by someone on a cheap rookie contract with the possibility of developing into something. Darnold is proven certified trash.

I'm not surprised. I mean, just look at what we've been doing organizationally since Tepper took over. He kinda seems hell-bent to de-emphasize or even outright eliminate anything that he deems as legacy Panthers that predates him. Even "Keep Pounding" feels greatly de-emphasized.

There has to be a line somewhere or there's no end to what you're willing to give. That's my line.

It's not just those two dudes. It's a LOT more. You can't trade three 1sts and possibly more draft assets plus your two best young defenders. At some point the cost becomes too much to bear.

Chinn AND Burns is honestly a deal breaker for me given the pick haul. One or the other should be the line in the sand.

Oh please. That would require us to have actually been competitive in the game to the point of leading at the end.

You should've had the guts to post that from your real account.

I think so too. But I don't KNOW so. You better know before you gut your franchise for him. Is he better than Dak? Is Dak worth this type of trade? Eh...

Exactly. He was basically putting up Kirk Cousins type numbers when the Texans we're actually competitive. His one elite stat season came when they went 4-12.

Forget the off-field stuff. Forget the will we or won't we stuff. Real talk... is Watson actually good enough to warrant the type of trade bounty that we're talking about? He's had one great year when his team went 4-12. When the Texans we're actually competitive he was basically being used on a high level game manager type of role. We've never seen Watson in a situation where he's being asked to play like an MVP level QB on a competitive team, yet we're falling all over ourselves to gut the franchise to get him. Is this actually a smart bet from a pure football perspective? I'm not trying to argue that Watson isn't good. He's damn good. But is he top 5 NFL QB good? Nothing I've seen from him makes me confident in saying that. Not with guys like Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Wilson, etc., etc. out there. I think you're gutting the franchise for likely the 7th or 8th best QB in the league. Yikes.

Maybe this has been posted I can't keep up with it all, but Houston beat writer John McClain says it's very much a two horse race - us or the Saints. Period.

It's working. 1000%. We just can't see it.

Well, you asked

Truth.

If we sign a big name aging LT I have to think we at least believe we have Watson in the bag. That's the only way a signing like that would make any sense. Or... it's an insanely desperate ploy to attempt to make ourselves more palatable to Watson.

Just to put it out there, I'm almost certain this person has been banned repeatedly for acting like a source and putting out utterly fake info.

Just gonna say, a lot of folks were talking about how relatively little guys like Elflein and Cam Erving were going to make and how inconsequential their contracts were at this point last year. Had they not been straight trash and proved to be serviceable starters they would've been correct. Unfortunately, they proved to be straight trash.

Gotta be better than what we had.

I hope it doesn't mean Chinn is gone. I hope he's signed to play FS with Chinn at SS. Chinn is a SS. That's where he needs to be.

All of these owners think they're the smartest people on the planet. Watching one fail has no bearing on what they do. They're smarter than that guy who failed.

Ultimately how a guy performs after his contract doesn't matter. It's that the contract was signed. For a college coach to get that money and control from an NFL team was unprecedented.

The scary thing is he might be both. Nothing more dangerous than maximum dumb and maximum desperate.