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I think it'd be hard to sell Rodgers on coming here. I bet the Niners wish Rodgers had brought this whole thing to a head well before they made that very aggressive trade up to #3 because that's where Rodgers really wanted to go and I'm sure they would've loved to have had him. They would've probably given GB that package for Rodgers instead of giving it to Miami for #3.

Yeah, Tepper believed in him. Likely still does. But if Darnold flops and the guy Tepper wanted in Fields succeeds and we're Rhule has yet to out together a winning season after three years (two years from now)... well, at the least those meetings are gonna start to get awkward.

Too early to say, but FS and C seem pretty safe bets. Then there's the will he or won't he question with Darnold much like Teddy last year.

If we're still flailing after two years we might be "on to the next one" with the staff too. Moving on from Teddy quickly gives me hope that this staff can recognize their mistakes and move past them quickly, but you can only swing and miss at QB while putting up bad records for so long before you're deemed the problem.

Was I? Tepper wanted him. That's what I said. What I was wrong about was that Tepper would give the staff the nudge they needed to get them over the hump to make the pick. Time will tell whether or not that was the right call.

You're super emotional. That's okay, but your continued denial of it is hilarious. Everyone "called me out" on Teddy last year too. It'll be different here. Joe Brady's system. Weapons. CMC, Moore, Samuel. Teddy will take the next step. All sounding familiar? You're a fan so you desperately want Darnold to be successful. Hell, that's understandable. I'd love to be wrong. I hope Darnold is the SB MVP next year. History is just stacked heavily against this. So, I guess just keep being emotional and lashing out because it's funny.

It's probably gonna be Burris and FS will be high on our shopping list next off-season. We weren't gonna solve all our issues in one off-season but I did expect some competition to be brought in at FS.

I just get entertained by how you always put up a front of being this neutral fan but always get super emotional and combative when someone has a differing opinions.

When you have to go back decades to find your examples and even those are a stretch... oh wee mayne. It's basically exactly my point. It's a long shot.

Sigh... this is so very reminiscent of last year. Just substitute "Sam Darnold" for "Teddy Bridgewater".

The defenses they faced weren't similar though. Back in those days, DBs could pretty much maul receivers.

The first couple chapters have been. We're hoping for a serious plot twist.

The majority of the QBs you listed played in an entirely different era of football that was far different than today's pass happy league. Yes, successful bust reclamation projects do happen. They're just rate. No, it's not unfair to call Darnold a bust. He absolutely was in NY. We're hoping he won't be in Carolina.

We did. Like it or not, we came back with Cam Erving.

It's not about just what I think. It's a reality that 1st round bust reclamation projects are rare. We're keenly aware of the success rate of 1st round QBs but we seem to be heavily downplaying the success rate of former busts (Darnold) and second rate vets (Teddy). We're trying to hit the jackpot on long shot bets.

We'll see. Fields may turn out to be a JAG but that's the beauty of the rookie wage scale. It lets you take chances on elite talent without crippling your cap. I was all about taking Cam #1 overall in large part due to the new at the time rookie wage scale. Had we been facing paying him like Sam Bradford was paid as a rookie I would've been a LOT more hesitant.

Yeah, their draft ammo is pretty gutted from past trades. I don't see how they would've had any real shot at coming up with an offer that would've gotten us to drop that far back.

We took a flyer last year too. We chose to once again go with a medium sized QB investment hoping to cash in big on long odds. Even as bad as the Panthers have been historically, top 10 picks are still a relative rarity. When you forego the opportunity to add a QB with one when you need a QB, you're mortgaging your future on that opportunity cost. We're doubtful to have one next year. Even if Darnold is bad, an improving young D and healthy CMC will likely be enough to keep us out of the top 10. In a couple of years, if Fields is a legit QB and we're still floundering at QB, we'll look back on this decision as the one that ultimately derailed the Rhule Era.

I think he has a decent shot but I certainly wouldn't be shocked if he isn't on the final roster.

Yep. Rhule has essentially admitted that himself.

If Darnold resurrects his career here then it's a GREAT move. It's just that we've bet heavily against the odds relying on that. Now we'll see whether or not that bet pays off.

Good reasonable response. I'd disagree on the draft capitol though. Trade values at the top of the draft have skewed big time over the years since the rookie wage scale was implemented. Those picks have become a lot more valuable now that they also don't come with massive contract that pays a rookie like an automatic future HOFer. Those picks allow you to make a bet on elite talent without the contract that type of elite talent normally requires.

Yep. If Fields pans out and Darnold doesn't while we continue to struggle on the fields, seats are probably gonna be red hot next year. This current regime will probably be down to their last swing at QB. They've been hesitant to bet big on a QB, but if this latest bet doesn't go their way they're hand is going to probably get very forced.

You've badly misrepresented my posts.

You're hilariously emotional about this. This isn't difficult to grasp. If Darnold continues to be bad (historically likely) while Fields or Jones ends up being legit then how exactly did we not mortgage the future on Darnold? The opportunity was there to add a franchise QB prospect and we passed due to Darnold. Darnold was available for "basically a 2nd round pick" because NFL teams know that he "basically sucks" and the success rate of former 1st rounds busts bouncing back elsewhere is very slim.