LinvilleGorge

Adam Gase really might just be THAT bad.

LOL! Says the guy who constantly acts like the slightest disagreement with any opinion he has no matter how absurd is an all out assault him as a person. Calm down indeed.

You can think a guy is going to be good without making the absurd claim that his floor is great. Forget Allen, if we thought their floor was Baker, I don't think we would've been (and hell, maybe still are) hell-bent on trading for Watson. We would've been hell-bent on trading up in the draft from the get go.

Reality bias. They were young QBs in the process of developing. They are what they are. And I think you may be misremembering on Baker, the guy practically swept the NFL rookie awards. But when you toss out a name as a prospect's floor, most people are going to interpret that as the current perception of that player. If Josh Allen is these guys' floor, it's hard to imagine a trade that wouldn't be worth it for us. You're basically saying that legit MVP candidate is their floor and honestly that's absurd.

Honestly, I don't and it has everything to do with the money. He's paid millions. He didn't perform. We haven't sugar coated that. The organization didn't really start airing their disappointment until after Teddy threw the staff under the bus for "not getting the play call in on time" when he missed a wide open DJ in the endzone. There seemed to be a clear shift toward "fug this guy" in regards to Teddy from the organization after that and honestly it's tough to blame them.

Cam was a GREAT deep ball thrower in his prime though. Yeah, he always had a pass or two every game that wildly got away from him, but I think those couple of wild pitches make people overstate his accuracy "issues". When he missed, he MISSED but the overall number of misses gets exaggerated due to the obviousness of the misses IMO.

It's a wrap for Teddy when you have a guy who works for the organization pretty much openly calling you a disappointment on the field.

Yikes. Not a good look for Lance. I'm intrigued by his talent, but I gotta admit that the guy screams bust.

I can definitely see them both being very good NFL QBs but I've seen enough good prospects bust that I'm never gonna call a prospect's floor that high.

Let's not kid ourselves, their floors are a lot lower than that and I like them both

I want no part of Mac Jones, but unless he's a total dickhead that's pretty fuging shitty on their part IMO.

We know all we need to know based on Senior Bowl week practices. There's PLENTY of other Bama prospects that need scouting.

Put NFL DBs on the field and it'll look shockingly (and disappointingly) similar.

He was in college at the same time I was. Kentucky football was must watch TV. That dude would have defenders hanging off him like he was a human jungle gym and still be chucking the ball down the field. He was WAY faster than he had any right to be at that size too.

55 yards in the air and he had to wind up with all he had to manage that while the WR had to practically stop to wait for it. Yeah, that's pretty much what I saw from him this year in games.

They're not giving him big money if they weren't willing to toss the Steelers anything for him at $8?25M. I mean, even a conditional late rounder next year is better than nothing.

If no one was willing to trade anything for a starting CB due to make "only" $8.25M, he ain't getting big money.

Seems like we did this a lot under Gettleman. It worked really well early on. Considerably less well later in his tenure.

It's worth a phone call.

I mean, I do remember that time recently when we signed a "coveted" FA QB to a 3 year/$63M contract and signed a WR to a 2 year/$20 contract. I don't think we've even come close to that expenditure thus far this off-season.

Competition is a good thing. Looks like he also has pretty extensive special teams experience. That might be his avenue to making the team. If he can contribute as a reserve defender while also being a core special teamer that's good value. I want us to be over this crap of constantly carrying guys on the roster just so they can be a gunner on ST. Talking about the Karl Hanktons and Colin Joneses of Panthers lore.

Cool. He wasn't awful. Solid backup, marginal starter. I think this has zero impact on our draft plans.

It's because Teddy sucks at throwing the deep ball. It's almost always underthrown creating a contested catch situation even when the receiver was open.

Agreed. We'd be even more pissed at the former staff and even more aware that we essentially wasted the career of one of the most physically gifted QBs ever

I'm honestly not convinced we ever made a legit (or any) effort to actually help Cam's mechanics.