LinvilleGorge

Tepper will get his money. And the city of Charlotte will tell it's residents that it can't afford to provide for basic municipal needs because of budget constraints. We live in an oligarchy larping as a democracy and we have for awhile now.

I always thought that Derrick Brown looked like Kris Jenkins 2.0 IMO. His rookie year his pass rush looked better than I expected but he wasn't as dominant in the run game as I thought he would be. Last year we started to see the guy I expected him to be. Hopefully he takes a big leap this year with better coaching and scheming.

Honestly, there are very few jerseys I'd truly be ashamed to own. I mean, if a guys busts am I really I really ashamed to own the jersey? The guys who come to mind off the top of my head are Carruth (obvious), Collins (racist), and KB. Might be a little harsh to put KB on that list but him quitting on that route leading to an INT then not even bothering to try to make a tackle led to Cam's initial shoulder injury then he went on to throw shade at Cam after he was traded when Cam had never publicly said a negative word about the guy. He was dead to me as a Panther after that. I'm on the fence about DeAngelo. I want to believe he changed after his mom unfortunately passed far too early but there's a decent amount of evidence that he was always that guy and maybe his mom just helped keep it in check. I guess if I was being completely fair I could say the same about KB.

It'll take me a long time to not be concerned about his size but damn I hope this guy turns out to be great.

Shiny new #1 overall pick QB. New highly experienced coaching staff. Yeah, considering the trash we've been dealing with at QB and with coaching it's understandable there's more optimism in Panthersdom then there has been in quite awhile.

It's hilarious watching Stephen A. Smith wallowing about this. Last year he was "underpaid". Now his "colleagues deserved better than these times". Dude... clowns like you and Skip Bayless created these times. It turns out that idiots screaming at each other over mildly sports related topics had a shelf life.

Winning culture will fix it. Until then, expect BOA to be a sea of opposing colors most Sundays. Having a shiny new #1 overall pick QB and an all new staff will create some early buzz but it's up to the Panthers themselves to maintain that.

If I see somebody putting mustard based slop on good meat I'm calling the law and reporting this crime.

For the standard tomato based stuff it's Head Country. By miles. Stubb's Mesquite is my #2, the original isn't very good IMO. For NC vinegar style it's Scott's.

We'll see. He's been on the decline stats wise for awhile now. His peak was 2017-2018.

RB has been a devalued position for decades now. It's just been hard for Panthers fans to notice as we never caught on as we continued to spend premium picks and big money on the position.

Here comes the fleecing and yet another government handout to a billionaire while that same government entity will say they don't have the funds for infrastructure and other basic community needs.

I have no idea how anyone watches anything on ESPN that isn't live sports and even then I usually find myself thinking "Damn, I wish this game was on some other channel" because ESPN constantly does annoying ass split screen views as if seeing their announcers and/or whatever dumbass graphics they want to show matters to the audience. No. We just want to see the damn game. Show us the game. We'd be watching on any other channel. You're not special ESPN. We don't care about your coverage and bullshit. *rant off*

Let's hear it.

I'm inclined to say probably not but the division might be bad enough that we do. We'll see I guess. I'm mainly watching this year to see progress being made and signs we're heading in the right direction and hopefully that we've solved our QB issue. I'm not really expecting to contend.

Really hoping he can be an impact player in the secondary. Lord knows there's opportunities to get ok the field if he is. In the ideal world, he's the ball hawking FS I've been begging for for years. Literally for decades. The NFL has been progressively getting more and more pass happy while we have continued to field two strong safety types on the back end much to my dismay and dissatisfaction.

I have talked about that. Thanks for largely rehashing Gerry's arguments that the thread has moved past though.

Yep, very pleased with Icky. I honestly didn't know if he'd make it as a LT in the NFL but one of the reasons I likes the pick is o felt it was a safe pick because with his physicality and run blocking abilities if he didn't work out at LT he probably had positional versatility in his skill set to be a good player somewhere along the OL. The problem with the finesse LTs with prototypical LT measurements is that if they don't work out at LT, where do play them? They don't really translate anywhere else along the OL. With all the OT busts on the past couple of decades Icky's potential positional versatility made me more comfortable.

Maybe they weren't TE centric during that time because Hurst wasn't the guy they thought he was going to be? I mean, some teams actually do adapt to their rosters. Trust me, as a Panthers fan it's sometimes tough for me to wrap my head around that one too.

It just frustrates me because I feel like we rarely take advantage of the strengths of drafts.

I just think we're a gigantic question mark with an all new staff, all new schemes, a new #1 overall pick QB, etc. It's gonna be exciting to find out. But as far as expectations go? Honestly, I don't have any. I just hope we show that we're heading in the right direction.

What about the other two teams? Hurst has busted for three teams now. We're team #4 and we paid him like a legit starting TE. I hope we prove to be right in that decision but it honestly doesn't look like a smart gamble. I get that we were basically borderline desperate at TE, but that's why I wanted to draft a TE considering this was one of the strongest TE draft classes on paper in recent memory while this year's TE free agency class was basically hot trash.

Bust up until this point is very fair. And Hurst is knocking on the door of 30. It's not like he's some young prospect. We've all seen NFL teams paying former high draft picks with physical talent far more for far longer than they should based on the info available to them.

But honestly the baseline talent isn't as close as I thought it was. I knew Olsen had a very nice combine but I thought Hurst had a better performance than he did. The earlier poster suggesting Hurst might be out most athletic TE ever... just laughable. Hurst: Olsen:

Olsen had 600+ and 8 TDs in his third season before Martz came to town. Martz was famous for not involving TEs in his passing game. The Bears hiring Martz at OC was the gift that allowed us to steal Olsen from them. He was progressing nicely after an underwhelming rookie year getting better every year before Martz came along. The situations just aren't very comparable even though the baseline talent probably is.