MHS831

If you recall, Marty got in trouble when he started trading away first rounders. I think we got Jeff Otah and Everette Brown as a result. Fitterer traded away the first overall pick, a great WR, etc etc for what would become the first overall pick and has NOTHING to show for it. Deserved to be fired--for fighting for this decision or not fighting against it.

This tells me two things: 1) The owner and others in the front office did not respect the GM enough to let him have the final say. 2) The Panthers had a GM who allowed them to disrespect him. He because more of a PR agent, promoting decisions that were made instead of making them.

We seem to have a type.

Just making it worse--excuses, lies, no heartfelt apologies--just the childish rant of a billionaire narcissist.

Because if its on Twitter, it has to be accurate.

The problem is not what the Jag fan said, it was that Tepper was listening to the Jag fans.

I dunno. If I were a GM, I would see this as a challenge. I would ask Tepper, during the interview, if he will continue to be involved in player personnel decisions. If he does not say "no," I walk out and thank him for the coffee.

Excellent points. What Bryce could control (attitude, resiliency, toughness) he did well. That is really all I could see this season. He was sacked 12% of his passing attempts. He was rushed or hurried most of the time. I would have benched Young and let Andy take over while Young learned. Yes, experience helps, but when that experience is counterproductive to development, you are only hurting the player.

The coaches did not believe in the offense. When I see the offense, down by 2 scores in the fourth quarter taking the play clock down to "0", it was infuriating. They played for a chance at a FG most of the time. You are right--why should any DC fear a deep ball? I have heard people on here complaining about Bryce, but what would they recommend? Was this his talent or the play calling and lack of talent surrounding him? 62 sacks on a 5'10" 185 lb QB, and he played on.

Gross-Matos' light seemed to come on halfway through the season. I think he is a serviceable starter who can move inside. Nice piece to have. It was horribly frustrating watching Bryce play this season, but just about every variable worked against him. Frank R. was familiar with the tall pocket QB approach and the offense suggested that Bryce find a way to function in it. I am most disappointed with OL coach Campen and the lack of development involving Ekwonu. Bozeman regressed here (not many people talking about it, but he gave up 10 sacks--probably because his guards sucked, but a center can't give up sacks. Chark? What the hell was that? TMJ? Done in the NFL. Mingo? Had the opportunity and stage to step up, but did not leave us feeling hopeful for 2024. Theilen? Showed us the benefit of running good, crisp routes. The TE room they bragged about preseason? Keep Tremble and Ricci (who was on IR). This "All Star" coaching staff? Many experienced veterans see gigs like this as a reward for lifetime achievement and fail to put in the hours. Give me some hungry, young coaches who have worked under great coaches.

A lot of you thought that Tepper would be loyal to Fitterer, hanging on to his yes man. But that is not the pattern of the narcissist, as I explained in threads where I (like some of you) predicted he would be fired today. If Tepper were the captain of the Titanic and had a meeting before it sank with his six highest ranking officers, even though Tepper did not believe there was an iceberg and ordered "Full steam ahead," He would empty his revolver of all six bullets, leaving only himself alive and a private life raft for his retreat. Narcissists are, for the most part, incapable of empathy or guilt. Tepper fits the profile, from what I can see.

Want to know what grinds my gears? They always show a photo of a GM wearing a blazer with no tie and Ray Ban sunglasses. Why is that? Some of you will say, "He missed the point of this thread." "Did I though?" "Yes. I seem to have strayed."

I think Breeg is a troll--just block him and move on. Damn you McDonalds for giving out free internet!!

Repeat yourself. You sound just as dumb. Anyone can cherry pick stats. I sense that I am engaged with a middle schooler who just got his first computer for Christmas. Please do not respond because you think your opinions are right and people with much more experience and knowledge than you are wrong. You obviously feel the need to be right at all costs and ignore other points of view. I don't have time for dickheads-I simply want to see what others have to say. I have heard you--now just shut up.

This is the key. WIthout endzone game tape, it is really hard to see if the majority of the blame goes to QB, OL, or WR. I think the answer is "all of them" but I would like to know to what degree? If the WRs and OL are sucking, the QB play inevitably sucks. If the QB and OL play sucks, the WRs will suck---Lotta work to do, imo, because I had no confidence in Bryce because he had the ball--but if the focus was on the others, would a different concern be exposed? I think so--just like to know how much etc.

Arrogant and misleading. Dangerous combination. I really think your ability to muster courage behind a fake name on a discussion board has overwhelmed your circuitry. Regardless, I do not pretend to be smarter than others by referring to anyone who disagrees with me as having a thick skull. The fact is, you are being intentionally misleading--sacks are a QB stat but not one they often use to evaluate QBs--completion percentage, interception rate, YPA, etc are usually the standard--Sacks, however, are a key OL measure, and you seem to disregard that obvious point because it is not consistent with your theory--something you choose to ignore so you can pout and rant and make people think you know what you are talking about. I gave you facts and stats--offensive line statistics related to sacks---and you give me an answer that ignores these facts and stats and you repeat yourself. Silly person. The worst left side of the OL (T, G, C) in the NFL. based on SACKS and you say they were not bad. Not arguing with someone who skips over facts and statistics. If you want to challenge my points, find some Offensive linemen stats that do not include sacks allowed. Post the link here. If you can't, STFU.

You may be right, but I worked for a narcissist recently, and eventually, they all turn on those closest to them because their primary role is to inflate the leader's ego and then be blamed for the failures that are caused by the fact that nobody is telling the Emporer that he is wrong--so they must be wrong--it is a catch 22.. Black Monday will be a demonstration of Tepper's ire--we did not score a point in 2 games. "Off with their heads!" Fitterer and the entire offensive staff will be let go.

Personally, I am worried about Bryce because we saw very little to inspire hope. Very few, if any, NFL QBs would have succeeded here under these conditions. Fitterer is the central problem--Bryce's play is a symptom of Fitterer (and Tepper's) involvement. All I am saying is they will look at him next season with a better supporting cast. I am not expecting a miracle, but I am a realist. To improve, you must identify the problem. Imagine if we spent bank on Russell Wilson or Watson? Brock Purdy would probably suck ass here. Young would probably not suck ass in SF. You gotta have the pieces in place, especially if you draft an undersized, weak armed QB. The front office failed miserably in this regard, but we fixed the problem when our owner tossed his beverage on a fan in Jax. Now we are good to go.

Our OL is not truly horrible?--I beg to differ. Are you saying that sacks are not on the OL or the WRs? Our LT (and they kept stats on this) had 11 sacks this season, 3rd worst. He also was third worst in penalties. Our LG was a revolving door, but Zavala, in limited snaps, surrendered 6 sacks (6th worse in the NFL). Bradley Bozeman gave up 10 sacks (1st among NFL centers). Cade Mays surrendered 3 sacks in limited play. In contrast, Taylor Moton surrendered 1 sack all season. The left side of the OL featured the #1, #3, and #6 (respectively) worst in the category of sacks (an OL stat too, for a reason)-- I am not including the reserves like Nash Jensen or Gabe Jackson. This OL was truly horrible. 40% of the starters were on IR most of the time and when they played, they gave up a lot. I am not even going to get into the fact that multiple announcers commented on how there were no open WRs. Considering the Panthers had the 8th most penalties in the NFL and most sacks, is it possible that Bryce was holding the ball too long trying to make a play? What does he do? Throw it into coverage? Out of bounds? Run it? He did all those things.

D Brown must be given bank. Moton's deal will count $30m vs the cap and he is 30 years old. I would consider restructuring him, getting it down to about $15m over the next 5 years. Burns? If he wants what 15-16 sacks a year are getting, he will be disappointed here. I would pay him about $25m per season based on his potential/production. He is very young. Maybe some team that has 1 or 2 glaring needs will pay him, but we cannot. He will be missed, however

Sacked 62 times this season--roughly 4 per game. With 509 passing attempts, that is 1 sack per about 8 attempts. If you consider how often he was forced into a throwaway or bad pass, then it is difficult to imagine how any QB could succeed in this environment. His WRs were rarely open and for most of the season, he had 40% of his OL on IR. His TEs were not much help. Furthermore, the Panthers were the 8th most penalized team in the NFL; The Panthers were undisciplined and made many unforced errors, especially the OL. What about his weaponry? Chark dropped 4 passes on 66 targets. (To put that into perspective, last season Justin Jefferson, often the focus of the defense, dropped 5 passes on 184 targets). Adam Theilen was targeted 137 times and had 6 drops. Mingo had 85 targets and five drops. TMJ was targeted 33 times and had 2 drops. Remember, they are not getting open, but when they do, they drop the ball much too often. Defenses could stunt and blitz all they wanted. The running game did not set up the passing game--the Panthers were predictable. They could not run the ball behind Jensen, Jackson, Mays--so they ran the ball wider with more success. Once that was shut down, the teams could blitz A gaps or they could drop 8 in a wide zone, taking away the flats. Since DTs could penetrate through Jensen/Mays/Jackson, throwing drag routes was difficult, which would have been the solution under normal circumstances. My point? I am skeptical and afraid, but I will be damned if I am going to give up on Bryce when he was given this mess. Tom Brady in his prime would have struggled here. Not an exaggeration. On TV, you see the QB, the hesitation, and the panic. They said the same things about Tua in Miami, if you remember. Too early to tell, but I bet you $100 if Bryce went to a team like SF, Seattle, or even Denver, he would be successful.

If you watch the OL carefully, we were running wide because our Guards SUCKED. Pass protection broke down through A and B gap most of the time. Chark is not a good route runner. I keep Smith-Marsette, Mingo, Theilen (slot) and I let the rest walk. TEs? I make Tremble my #1, let the rest go. Ricci was good as a receiving TE, so I may keep him as the #3 or #4 TE. I might consider moving BC to LT and Ickey to LG--but I think I would let them compete for the job in camp. I bring in a stud RG. Moton's deal has to be reworked. I would draft a top WR and I would sign good route runners who can catch the ball. Let's face it, they are not giving up on Bryce in 1 year. Give him time and some open WRs and TEs, he is fine. Vilma said something brilliant--they are predictable. The run does not set up the pass (based on formation). Bryce had no chance of being successful, and he wasn't successful, some of you with keen knowledge of the NFL QB position have been very kind enough to repeatedly point that out. Let's see what happens--you might be right, but I have always said the QB should be the last thing you put in place.

Derrick Brown will get a big deal; I am not sure Burns will be happy if we pay him what he is worth. Nice to see Horn show up when it does not matter to demonstrate how good he can be.

Can we afford them?

I think there are females who would do a good job if given the opportunity to gain front-office experience--gender has nothing to do with it, so if you are putting words in my mouth, you misunderstood. My point was the Tepper's involvement in personnel decisions that have been shared on social media. Not sure what you mean.