MHS831

I realize that many of you do not want another frog to kiss, but I honestly think, instead of taking Corral, you draft the LT and sign Baker. Yes--he can be a headache--but he is better than any of the draft picks and other free agents. If he plays well and wins the locker room-pay the man. If he is a cancer and does not take the team to the playoffs, you draft a QB in 2023 and build around him. We have the cap room and will get a discounted rate--my guess is he would cost us about $8-10m for 2022 and we have $30m in cap room. That is better than missing out on the LT and taking Corral, for example, only to find out he is a career backup. Baker provides an unexpected opportunity, even if you do not like him. Behind a good line with these WRs, he would be pretty good, imo.

Brady's system was a joke. It was as if he was using the Madden 2015 playbook at times. He lost CMC on offense and our #1 CB on defense--his offensive line was a putrid pile of crap. I am not sure he can do it even with CMC, Horn, and three new offensive linemen--and the new OL coach and OC. However, he has never played in good conditions that he trusts-- We can feel confident that he will (if he gets the opportunity) be improved. Enough? I dunno.

It kills me that people would make comments that suggest they know he will be good or bust. Just admit you don't know because you don't know. Bill Polian (talking about Pickett) said, "A QB is only as good as the players around him." This seems to be proven in the case of Howell. With that in mind, you could argue that Howell is undervalued. You could also argue for staying with Darnold. I mean, when he had CMC, Horn, etc., he was not bad. Here is where we are: Our QB is going to have some sort of baggage. Post surgery (Garrappolo), Locker Room (Baker), or one of the top 4 QBs in what is labeled a weak draft class. I think we should run the Notre Dame Box and eliminate the QB position altogether.

great timing, Verge. the next 10 days are going to be news starved. This caused me to think more about OTs--giving me more hope that we do not go QB. I still think they will trade back if given that option--unless Ikwonu or Neal is there.

If we dont want to trade back, we have to hope Sauce and Hamilton go in the top 5. I think it will go like this: 1. Jax: Walker DE Georgia 2. Detroit:Tibodeaux. DE Oregon 3. Houston: Ekwonu, OT NC State 4. NY Jets: Hutchinson, DE Mich 5. NY Giants: Neal OT, Alabama That leaves the Panthers in a weird situation. HOWEVER--if a team trades up ahead of the Panthers for a QB, that could leave NEAL on the board. Stay tuned.

Same page.

thanks--Here is the question: If we decide to go OT, will we make the QB free agency move before the draft? Hmmm.

I see the fit--that would give them 3 QBs and we have 3/4 of a QB.

Personally, I think any organization that tolerates these kinds of posts is already toxic.

But Darnold was only "mostly" dead.

This season represents the lack of vision--they went after an underperforming Darnold without a backup plan. They should have drafted Fields, tbh--even if they had Darnold. Instead, they had to give Darnold his fifth year contract because he was doing fairly well and we did not have a backup plan. Then it went south, and Rhule is now confronted with either another retread or a rookie---no vision. Scott Fitterer wants a rookie, but this year? Who knows. I keep thinking that Pickett will be Pick 6--and I hope that is not irony (Pick it at Pick 6). They sure found themselves in a mell of a hess. I get the feeling that Rhule lost his hope for success when Cleveland signed Watson.

I just don't see the logic behind adding a headache--you already know he and Robby are going to lock horns--and you just signed that headache to a deal--dysfunctional teams usually struggle.

Any free agent, capable starting QB we get right now is going to come with an asterisk. Murray*: Tiny wants to get paid a lot. Will ignore his contract and leverage his team for big bucks. Not sure if his heart is in it like some others. Is he a leader? Baker*: Beats women and lives in the stadium. I am OK with living in the stadium, but if the "beating women" thing is true--nope. A tool that is unliked by teammates. Thinks he is above the common man--playing the victim. Jimmy G*: Needs a great D, great OL, great running game to be average. If he were a cup, he would not be dishwasher safe and you would have to protect him in the cupboard with bubble wrap. Only use when company comes over, and that makes you nervous. (Not a durable, dependable cup). Always been with good organizations--can he handle Clowntown?

I know. Murray is not the QB to take you to the Super Bowl, imo. He flashes and has highlights, but at the end of the day, is he the answer? When will he decide that he needs another big, premature deal? A close look at NFL winning QBs over the past few decades will answer that question. I pass on Murray, Mayfield, and Minshew--(I added Minshew because is his last name starts with an M as well).

You skeptics amaze me. A starting NFL QB on a one-year deal would allow us to take a LT and become relevant overnight. "In on every deal." ---remember? I am not a fan of this, but we are one of about 5-6 teams without an eatablished starting-caliber QB. Who is going to make a trade for a fully guaranteed, $18.5 m contract? NOBODY--except the team that thinks they are in on every deal. I think Darnold to Cleveland will be part of any deal, or Cleveland eats about half of the Baker $$. Atlanta--can go with Mariota in 2022. Pittsburgh--build a line around Mitch Trubiski and he could be a nice fit. Seattle--they like Lock, and I am starting to think that is not smoke. Detroit--Not worth abandoning Goff. Philly--Not worth abandoning Hurts. New Orleans---I think they like Winston with Andy behind him.

And the names you mentioned are too classy to say a word--Arizona, for example, had some interesting QB play during Larry Fitz' time there. Not one peep. (of course, Larry F might be the classiest football player to wear an NFL uniform)

The more this thing lingers, the more you hear how much of a dick Baker is. What a shame. Even Huddlers are calling him a dick (basically) and that is saying something. That is like Steven A. Smith calling someone a loud mouth.

Ha Ha. A side effect of being overpaid, it seems.

What if Darnold started supporting bringing in Wide Receivers? "nothing agianst you Robby, but we need people who can catch...." I want Darnold gone too, but as long as he is QB1, Robby needs to support him and shut his pie hole.

yeah, that or take Darnold in an even swap--no picks. I'd put him on a gag order and send him to some leadership academy for kids with Napoleonic complexes.

So you don't want Baker Mayfield (who is decent when healthy--just a pain in the ass) but you want Colin Kaepernik who was at best decent during his prime. Move over Fitterer. The bear hunter wants your job.

It is time they had a talk with Anderson.

In fairness, I did not like Cam because I thought he was great athlete playing QB and did not come from a system where he had more than 1 read (like many QBs). I did not think he was accurate, and I thought that his playing style would lead to a short career. While he was amazing, I prefer an amazing QB that makes it look easy--not amazing. I changed my opinion of him--but I was frustrated that he never developed the mechanics to be an accurate passer--and that he processed a bit slow, causing him to stay in the pocket too long and run too much. So we never had back to back winning seasons, Cam got banged up and out by age 32. He was great in the mid 2010s, but the banging took its toll. So much of what I thought was wrong, and much was right. I think I can get behind Pickett, but his limitations scare me as well.

I did not want Pickett unless we traded back until I saw this. you have to take him at #6 or you take the LT and sign a QB Jimmy G or (gasp) Baker. HOWEVER!!!!!: We have someone many think can play LT for the Panthers, and Brady C is a very good athlete who is about 25 or so. I think he is ready now if her ever will be--- Fitterer wants a rookie QB to build around. If we think Pickett can make plays in this offense, yes, you take him at #6. I favored Willis with reservation. Now I do not want him.