MHS831

Interesting--and that could mean that the Panthers saying they are not interested in Baker is simply because Cleveland was asking for a high pick. Or they aren't interested in Baker. Jimmy, coming off shoulder surgery is problematic. He will not be throwing (if all goes well) meaningful passes until July or August. The panthers are looking at QB, but man their obvious appearances and antics at these pro days are either brilliant smokescreens or they reveal that they have made a decision to draft a QB

Rhule's year 3 in college were good years--let's see how he is in the pros. Man I wish I had a simple answer to this question. Remember the bad weather game that the Patriots won against Buffalo and they threw the ball only 3 times? That was Bill B. protecting Mac Jones from his weakness--no arm strength in the wind. That is a great example of a coach understanding the limitations of his QB. I think that game sent a message to coaches with young QBs. The OL we are drafting? All good in the run game. RB Foreman? A pounder between the tackles. I see a strong run game, play action passes, slants, and a lot of screen passes in the young QB's future. So I think there is a way to bring a young QB along while he is starting. Our defense needs to step up--that is huge, but if we can stay in every game, we can win them. Not ideal, I know.

I imagine that in years past, the Panthers were not at Liberty's pro day. Why would the Panthers send a representative to a pro day when they are not interested in any of their players? Jackson State is not prime time this year.

Folks, I see why people who firmly support Cam would think some are being racist because they have trouble hiding racism, but I also think it is worse to make those who are not being racists into racists. We are Panther fans, and we love most all of our players, regardless of race. Honestly, I never think about it, but I am not a minority, so it is not for me to decide how an African American or Hispanic might feel. The best thing whites can do is listen with empathy and try to understand how a situation might feel or look from another perspective. Just because something has been normalized does not mean there is no bias behind it. I can easily show you exceptions to every stereotype. That is not to suggest that anyone is ever 100% right or wrong, it means that there are several points of view other than your own that may not be real to you, but they are real to others. Here is what I do know: Cam was given a great shot in New England and it did not go well. He was given a shot here, and it did not go well. You all cheered when he would dive into linebackers in the endzone, or when he would lunge head first into a wave of defensive backs seeking a first down. I cringed. I predicted (here, on the Huddle) that Cam's career would be cut short, lasting about a decade--I was called a racist. I have seen people called racist who--from my point of view--did not deserve it and I have seen posts that were dripping with racism. But the person to blame for opinions about Cam is Ron Rivera and his staff. I blame Rivera for putting in the option, QB draw, etc. to help him win games. He should have fined Cam for not sliding. I knew (posted it here) that he was wearing down his star QB. He manipulated Cam's will to win and willingness to do whatever it takes to do it--essentially, that is what coaches in the NFL do to players. And Rivera won "Coach of the Year" as Cam spent his evenings in the ice tub. Cam was done before he knew it and before Rivera was willing to admit it. And when Cam could not win games for him any longer, the Panthers knew it too, and refused to offer him a third contract. Rivera lost his job and had to move on. So did Marty. The person that they rode for just under a decade could no longer carry Ron or hide Marty's mistakes. It was sad. So I get wanting to see Cam come back and go out on a high note; he sure did that for us for about 8 years. However, I do not see any more high-level football in his future because his body, for the first time in his life, is failing him now. It is not father time, it is wear and tear. This is not about race. It does Cam a disservice to make everything involving his career about race--Cam rose above it. He was loved by all Carolina fans and hated by our enemies--as God intended. About the pocket passer/"running QB" debate: Think of it this way: An NFL running back peaks around age 27-28 and the dropoff after that is incredibly steep for most. The hits add up. When your QB, usually in worse position to be taking hits becomes a frequent runner, their bodies are not immune to the RB pounding. That is why many "running" QBs have short careers--they are part RB. Cam was part Fullback at times. Cam was never the most accurate passer, but he was successful because he had the run game. At 33, the run game is not what it once was by any means and the accuracy (due to surgery) is less than what it was. As for Cam Newton, he was the Panthers' greatest player because he was more than an entertainer and icon. He was superman. But over the years, the pounding he took with a big smile on his face became small doses of kryptonite--eating away at him gradually. I think Cam is done, and I think we owe him our gratitude and respect for putting everything on the line for us. I could be wrong, but that does not make me a racist--it makes me a realist.

I guess Tepper wanted to get to year 3 with him--that seems to be the magic year for him in college.

I just checked a mock draft (today's date) and Willis was going to the Lions at #2. That is consistent with the banter on a few Detroit message boards. There was concern that Goff is better than Willis, but would not be by 2023. I see the Lions taking Willis at #2 or getting rich with draft picks from a team like the Steelers to move up.

I hope they like 3 equally-then trade back. Trade back--When the undrafted QBs on your top 3 list drop to 1, move up and grab him.

A few weeks ago or sooner, some of you were saying, "We ain't trading back. Who would trade up?" Funny how things work out. They will be fighting over these QBs like seagulls on the beach over a fish head.

To me--based on his pro day--hard to watch Liberty film when his receivers were not great and his OL was not great and the opposition was not great---he seems like the total package. Charisma, character, talent, etc. I mean, we took Cam #1 when, at the time, there were character concerns (laptop, entertainer and icon comment--which was true) and his accuracy was not great. Because of the Auburn offense, he was not reading the defense like an NFL QB---so no QB is excused from concern at this point. Having said that, Detroit is in a great position to grab their QB of the future. With Goff, they may not be picking in the top 5 again next year. They have a season or even two under Goff to work on Willis' game. While I think they take Hutchinson if he is there, how do you pass on QB?

I think I want Corral. Just putting it out there for the Huddle to absorb. After trading with the Steelers to move up.

The Giants, Jets, and Jags are jokes. Every year they get the best draft picks.

I personally think Darnold can't read defenses. He throws the slant--but on digs and outs--he seems lost a lot.

If Detroit goes with Willis as some are saying---who knows how this think will shake out.

I am going by points--so you are possibly right--depends on the draft, I would think.

I know--used to be when I would gash my head on the rim, it would take a week to heal--now it takes a month. Damn this getting old!

I heard Willis was throwing to his first read all day.

A first and second this year, first next year should do it.

Soon he will realize that the phone ain't ringing.

The Panthers are in love with the Panther from Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh is in love with the Flame from Atlanta. Got it.

Christian Ponder too. Don't forget him. They don't in Minnesota.

Here is what I know--nobody really knows. That is why Baker Mayfield was a #1 pick and Tom Brady was pick #199. Anyone posting comments for or against any prospect with unyielding certainty is a fake-ass blowhard.

after 5 minutes you lose that luxury

I think it said 1---not sure.

Someone posted NFL Network

does he always slap the ball before he throws it?