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forgot about him.
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From what I am hearing on the board, if we stay at 8 (assuming nobody drops to us): roughly 40% want Walker roughly 20% want Warren roughly 20% want TMac roughly 20% want other Does that sound fair?
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It seems to me that we overpaid for Wharton and I am not sure that he is an every down DT at 280 lbs--I think he will probably move between NT and DE depending on the situation. Brown III doubles the run stuffing ability at NT. I realize that we brought Tuttle back--maybe he was out of position as an undersized NT--maybe he can play 3-5tech. We need a DE (3-5 tech) and I am guessing that we could add a NT if we do not like Crumedly. Hard to believe, but we could add up to 2 more DTs in addition to signing 2 and getting Brown back. DE: Brown, Robinson, (Wharton?) NT: Brown III, Wharton
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As of today, who would you draft at number 8?
MHS831 replied to PleaseCutStewart's topic in Carolina Panthers
1. Edge Jalon Walker: I have been skeptical of Walker's fit as I would be any hybrid type of player, but his strengths as a person and player and the flexibility he gives the DC is formidable. He gives us a LB who can covert to Edge or Edge who can convert to LB during "hurry up" offenses when you can't substitute. Walker scares me, but you don't draft him if you can't see the fit. At #8, we could do worse. I am seeing more Micah Parsons than I did a week ago. 2. CB Will Johnson: Too often we think of the third CB as depth or nickel because that is traditional thought. In today's NFL, it is common to have 3 CBs on the field since the NFL has gone to 11 personnel --3 WRs, 1 TE--65% of the time, up from 55% in 2010; and if we have an injury to Horn or Jackson, there is not a lot we can do). With Johnson and Horn on the outside and Jackson on the third WR, our secondary is solid, preventing us from having to cover the third WR with a S, who would be assigned to TEs instead. 3. TE Tyler Warren: The only way I take Warren is if I plan to use him as a multi-dimensional offensive weapon. He would give the Panthers an elite TE (when we have been good, we have had an elite TE and an elite ILB) and lessen the need to reach for a WR by giving Young a shiny new weapon. There are a lot of teams who like Warren, so if he is still on the board, watch a team like the Rams try to trade up. With Sanders as an option in a 2 TE set and depth, we would have a pretty good TE room. Chris Simms recently said Warren would be better than Brock Bowers. Well.... In five years: Warren finished his five-year college career with 1,839 yards, 153 receptions and 25 total touchdowns. In three years: Bowers in three years at Georgia finished with 2,538 yards, 175 receptions and 31 total touchdowns. -
Trading Down Could be a Gold Mine in This Draft!!
MHS831 replied to Hoenheim's topic in Carolina Panthers
Been saying this for a month: If a team falls in love with an OT, they will make an offer to move up. -
I own an Arizona Breakdown Tshirt from about 20 years ago. So there is that....
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You must have researched him to know this--I said I would research him. And there are trades, etc. during the draft--you really need to know the full board.
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Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240
MHS831 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
I always found it fascinating that these experts can watch hours of film doing the same thing you will do on Sundays, interview the player, measure the player, weigh the player, time the player, and then invite the player to your facilities for one-on-ones and private workouts---yet your first round draft pick is a coin toss in relation to probability--it makes you wonder. Random chance. So if you see red flags and have concerns about things that cannot be viewed, measured, timed, or tested--things like character, maturity, and desire--you have to wonder how that kid is going to react when you put a few million dollars in his bank account. How will fame impact him? I think those might be the most important factors that determine success--we know they have the ability and resumes. So I think you have to consider the concerns when they show themselves. But it is, to your point, a crap shoot, but most good teams hit on their first rounders while bad teams miss. -
Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240
MHS831 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
The thing I like most about Walker is his character--he is dripping with leadership and class. I used to sit in a coaches office when I taught at Walker's high school before Jalon was born---and talk to his dad and the other Catawba College coaches. They showed me film and talked x and o stuff. I barely remember it, but I liked Bennett, and when Coastal Carolina started their program, he took Jalon's dad with him. So I have many reasons to want Walker on the team and I know he has a football background better than most. I think Jalon's father returned to Salisbury to coach Catawba later, when Jalon was born. I have heard (from former colleagues) that he is a "great kid." That means a lot. Having said that, there is a concern that he could bust because he was not always working on his pass rushing moves, etc. Looking great in college is one thing; as I have said before, people playing 1 role all the time look great in college film, but half of the first rounders bust. So I have to think of his as a bit more raw than a guy who gets DE/edge reps 24-7. This does not mean he can't do it; it means I worry that he does not have the depth of training he needs to transition well to the NFL. He has to be developmental to a degree--so that is where I am coming from-your points are valid, based on selected known quantities, but we obviously are dealing with some unknown variables that should be considered objectively. That is where I am. -
Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240
MHS831 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
I have read that he is NOT an elite edge, but to be fair to you and against my point, there is this by Mayock ( I respect Mayock): -
Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240
MHS831 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
I have been saying, You have to use him properly. We have no evidence that Evero would--so the risk is a bit higher. He is not going to dominate a position, but if you use his versatility to give him an unfair advantage (mismatches, element of surprise) that could make him good--which begs the question, could that not also apply to other players with similar skill sets who were not asked to be hybrids in college? I love Walker the kid and would love to have him if he works out--I am just nervous about it. Fair to him? No, but people here who wanted Bryce said his height was not an issue and there is tape of him throwing from his toes--the NFL is a different game. -
Thanks--we need to do this for every player we consider. "Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane" is all I needed to hear.
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Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240
MHS831 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
good thread--we need to bring this kind of opportunity to the surface. -
Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240
MHS831 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
It is a good point. Is Walker an early to mid first round LB? Edge? I would say no in both cases, but is he a top hybrid player? yes. -
Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240
MHS831 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
Ironically, some said his position versatility in college might project to an inability to fit in at the next level--we compared him to Chinn, if you recall. Critics wondered if Simmons could focus on a specific position and if so, would he be a first round talent at that position? The same is being said about Walker this year, fwiw. So you have to ask, "Was his versatility the thing that made him a good/great college player, or was he elite at LB?" On the other hand, Jerry Hughes had 5 sacks in 3 seasons with the Colts and then went to Buffalo where he had 25 sacks over the next three seasons-- I would watch film and see if his skill set is what we are looking for at LB. I am guessing that we have already done that. -
Panthers will bring Tetairoa in for a visit
MHS831 replied to Captain Morgan's topic in Carolina Panthers
He is a beast at a 4-win team in Arizona and I think he could be a beast in the NFL--the comments have to make you want to know more. This time of year, there are smokescreens, tips of icebergs, and nothing burgers all over the place. I think the higher you pick, the more you have to research these kinds of things. The issue is this: Does he LOVE football if he does not watch it on TV and he does not watch film on his own time? That could mean nothing, but it is a red flag that could be connected to his love for the game, his attitude, and his commitment to the game. Some compared it to their jobs--but unless you LOVE your job--loved it as a child and aspired to be in that job when you are older--it is not the same thing. I was reading comments by other fans about it. One fan, an LSU alumni, compared him to Jamarcus Russell. He said this situation reminds him of that---a great talent in college that carried him and made him the #1 overall pick. However, what worked in college was not enough in the NFL. Five years later, the NFL has a rookie cap and he is sleeping on his mother's couch after blowing about $40m. It could be nothing, but it would probably be enough for me to go a different direction in the draft, since I don't think he is worth the #8 pick anyway. -
Panthers will bring Tetairoa in for a visit
MHS831 replied to Captain Morgan's topic in Carolina Panthers
In college, I would go to the grill and get a burger and drink after we practiced and watched film for 4 hours (combined--3-7pm) then I would go watch film from 7-9 with my burger and drink--it was voluntary--a senior captain was usually running things. I would listen to the older guys--usually there were 5 or so players in the room--and they taught me how to "watch" film. At 9, I would leave to go to study hall (required for freshman) until 10:30. That was my day during the season. I could not learn enough. The players who were in the film room were our best players, for the most part. I was usually the only freshman and there were 37 of us. During this time, I went from 7th to 2nd on the depth chart at my position. The guys in the film room (that I can remember): 2 All-Pros in the NFL (Colts and Eagles), one LB for the Seahawks, one Bronco. The best athlete on our team was a S who did not watch film; he went to Green Bay and was cut after one season. So that is what I base my opinion on. If TMac thinks he can compete with the Jeffersons and Chases--heck, even the Adam Thielens of the NFL with that approach, he is probably mistaken. I would look into his film study habits because it reflects his commitment and attitude. That is why I heard something different than others on this thread. I can tell you, that every time you advance in Football, the competition gets 100x more challenging. What was OK at 4-win Arizona might not be OK in the NFL. Not dismissing others for thinking his productivity (about 80 yards per game vs. decent teams) proves that his approach is no red flag, but you played, if I am not mistaken, in college. Nor is it fair to assume that my experience is applicable to every other situation--but it does explain my difference in perspective. -
I see 2 CBs and 1 S--I do not see a T, and I think most true fans probably have an OL of some sort in the mix....With Brown Brown Wharton and Robinson, I am not seeing the need for 2 DTs...Have we addressed our Edge concerns? Not based on college production Young, Zavala, Mays, Luvu, Ekwonu, Hubbard, M. Jackson, Coker
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boom or bust--not worth the risk--was he boom or bust at TexAM? he sorta busted based on his potential.
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After the first pick, I could get on board with this.
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thanks for sharing-this would send some Huddlers to a bridge....I try to see the logic, and Morgan is still pretty much an unknown--do we know for a fact that Tepper was not lurking last year?
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Panthers Prospect Visits/Meetings (Final Update-4/22)
MHS831 replied to kungfoodude's topic in Carolina Panthers
When you put it this way, wow. They had a team. -
Panthers will bring Tetairoa in for a visit
MHS831 replied to Captain Morgan's topic in Carolina Panthers
It is all good folks. As I said, not questioning his performance as much as his work ethic. I have explained it. Every first round prospect has stats. 50% become successful. His comments are areas I would look into. You can disagree and pull out all the numbers you want, but they do not mean squat if you don't bring a hunger to learn and get better to the NFL. Does he have that? You nor I know, but the comments I have seen from him are concerning. That is it--this is not an argument anyone can win, so think what you want and I will too. I do appreciate these debates, however. The best time of the year and we should be locking horns about it at times. -
Panthers will bring Tetairoa in for a visit
MHS831 replied to Captain Morgan's topic in Carolina Panthers
That is what I am saying, but my reasons were based on his comments that suggested his work ethic might not be strong. I said read the tea leaves--we don't have facts--but as I stated, when you go from college to pros, there is no formula that says he will be a good WR--so you interview, measure, tape and watch film. 50% of first rounders succeed in the NFL--and I would wager that those who succeed are the most dedicated, if all things are equal--and the way the scrutinize these players, they pretty much are. Did he not say that he does not watch film except during the position sessions? That is what I heard--not what you said. Hear me out--it is about ATTITUDE and WORK ETHIC. Do you think Morgan will agree with his perspective? There are two ways you get better--You practice on the field and you learn in the film room. It helps you avoid mistakes and discuss tendencies etc. It is literally half your job during the week. In college, when the coaches were at home in their beds, there were always 4-5 players in the film room while the custodians were cleaning up. It was nothing to see a teammate walking out of the field house at midnight. You can only practice like 2 hours per day, but there was no limit to unsupervised film sessions. Please don't lecture me about watching film in college unless you did it. You simply do not understand the implications behind what he was saying. -
Panthers will bring Tetairoa in for a visit
MHS831 replied to Captain Morgan's topic in Carolina Panthers
YOU brought up stats, as I did. Now you want it to be about something else. Secondly, the point was does he love football. Do you think college success equates to NFL success if a player is not dedicated to the craft? He could be the real deal, but this shifted from his work ethic and attitude to stats. Stats means that he had some degree of success vs. the competition he faced. I am not saying he can't play--I am saying that I would not want a player who had that kind of approach to preparation. I don't owe anyone an explanation and you really are not in a position to make excuses for him--you don't know. I am saying "red flag." Sorry if that upsets you. To prove his attitude, you went with college stats--I can tell you that every level you elevate--from High School to college and college to pros--there is a process of elimination that is so strong, only 1 out of 100 high schoolers get scholarships to college, and only 50% of the first round draft picks succeed in the NFL. So no, I do not want a person in the first round who brags about not watching game film religiously. This is not about how good a player he was in college--if that is your point, nobody is disagreeing with you. However, since you went stats, I wanted to look to see how he did in big games against big players last year. He was not bad--but nothing said top 10 pick to me. There are players in this draft who had great stats and are day 3 players. Edge Antwaun Powell-Ryland is a day 3 prospect. He had 16 sacks in 12 games and averaged about 4 tackles per game--better than some rated higher. Should he not be a first or second round pick, based on his college production? TMac ran a good 40 at his pro day and made some announcement about not wanting to hear more about it. However, if he did not run before then, people rely on his game tape to estimate his speed-he was faster than people thought and he felt it was his place to announce it to the media. Meanwhile, Restrepo plays FASTER than his 40 time and people were shocked to see a 4.8. There is enough beyond your stats to suggest that investing a top 10 pick on him could backfire. That is all people were saying. Was he a good college player--yes, but he would have been the fourth or fifth WR last year. I think Jax loves him, so it may not matter.