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I think Jake came in vs. Jax in a season opener late in the game for Rodney Peete and threw a perfect pass on the last play of the game to win the game--hitting Proehl in the corner of the endzone. Not fact checking before posting, but that kind of thing was his trademark here.

Good points. Of course, the Minnesota TD was on the D and the interference non call had a lot to do with it, but if one play costs you the game, you should have wrapped it up sooner. You are right about Teddy. Like a vehicle with 4-wheel drive--most of the time you do not need it...

Jake was a gamer. He was limited as an athlete, did not have the cannon, etc. But when the game was on the line, Jake put it on the line. He might be the most overachieving Panther ever. He is probably my favorite Panther for that reason.

It is not lost on me that the first reply post that criticized Jake and Steve's ability to put the team on their backs was created by a person who never played in the NFL--and the only person he has had on his back is his manager at Taco Bell for taking a long break to create such a post. I don't think their advice for a year 2 will come to fruition, but there are teams out there reportedly think Teddy will be better off in a better system. That is how you find gems. We now have seen the range-- In New Orleans in 2019, Teddy comes in with a strong supporting cast and wins 5 games in 5 tries. In Charlotte in 2020, with an injured LT, CMC, and scrub LG and non-existent TE for most of the season, Teddy wins 4 games in 15 tries, but shows spurts and is close in most games. Maybe (They think) that not having CMC, Okung, and a LG and TE is the reason we did not win those close games--not the QB. So there is the basis for their argument and the reason some teams are kicking the tires on the Teddy speed wagon.

You all did hear that Jake Delhomme and Steve Beuerlein think Teddy should stay. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article249694333.html Now, you have to take into consideration that both were backups given a starting job here, so they are bringing it from that perspective.

The way I had a coach explain this to me in college and I never forgot it: There are usually about 3-4 plays in every game that determine who is going to win. When we watch film, we are going to identify those plays for you. I want you to watch yourself on those plays. Did you do your job? What else could you have done? Were you at 100% when the whistle blew? etc. So every play (in the back of your head) might have been the play that the coach was going to spend 20 minutes on in the film room. And it was not the last play of the game--most games were won or lost much earlier because they changes everything you did after that. So when I watch Bridgewater, I look for the plays that could have changed the game. Throwing the check down on third and 13 with :32 seconds to go in the half when you are at mid field...Getting a delay penalty or having to use a TO when the defense was on the ropes...etc. But the main thing about Teddy---where was the fire? Who did he elevate in the huddle and after the play? I just saw Teddy being Teddy. Little things matter. Jake Delhomme? He made everyone better, and his abilities were limited. Cam Newton? People would see him dive into the endzone or run over a LB on third and 3 Teddy? If he were the grand Marshall in a parade, the parade would not end with Santa--it would end with a punter.

I played FCS college football back in the day (80s). DBs are now as big as the TEs were then. I was a 6-2, 225 lb. TE and I ran a respectable 4.8 40--I used to brag about that--a good time for my size. I never thought I was going to the NFL, but 6 or 7 of my teammates did. A DB minded their manners and never reached 200 lbs or much taller than 5'10". An average lineman was 270-275 lbs, although we did have a T that was 6-8, 328 lbs- he sucked (wore a size 9 helmet--who does that?). Our RBs, one of which transferred from Georgia because a Freshman named Hershel Walker took his job, ran a 4.5-4.6 and was considered fast. The athletes today are freaks. This is incredible. a 250lb man does not run a 4.38. He should be arrested.

I was setting up a joke and did not look at the details (hence the ?), but thanks for the insight. Carry on, soldier.

Free agency begins next week. This is going to be the most interesting free agency period I can remember, but I can't remember breakfast. Seriously (all hilarity aside) the lower cap is going to shake things up. Wait until about March 23 or so and go bargain shopping.

so he will make $42m in 2021 when the cap is at $180m? Dak needs to break the huddle by chanting, "Block, rookies!"

Yes, but would you have said that about Brady and Brees in college? I get your point, Ivan. I still think the QB that processes the fastest and makes the throws is going to be successful. The mobile QB is a product of the college game changing, making the pocket passers hard to find--- Tampa Bay (Brady) and Alabama (Jones) won rings this year. There is that.

Yes--he will need a good running game, weapons on the outside, a TE, and good OL. I am looking at Jones as a possibility if the top 4 go top 7 and we don't bring in Watson. I still think we get Watson, however. (Reason? Why would the Jets give up 2 first rounders and the rights to Wilson to get Watson? Miami is not going to dump Tua yet--they just drafted him, and he was coming off surgery and had no preseason.) The Falcons will bring in a young QB to play behind Ryan for a season or so (I am thinking Mond in round 2) and the Lions (Goff) and Eagles (Hurt) are not going to get into the bidding. So why trade for Watson? Those teams will likely trade back. Just my theory).

Clemson has 1 (soon to be 2) starting qb--this list makes it easier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_starting_quarterbacks_in_the_National_Football_League

I have read the same thing--Bama's schedule (Notre Dame, Ohio State, SEC, etc). His arm has been characterized as "average" and he cannot run. What does he do better than the others? What does Jones do better than Fields? Lawrence? Wilson? He is very smart, and progresses through his reads quickly. He has a quick release. He is accurate. If his arm strength and mobility were problems, would they not only have been a problem in college? Here is a statistic that suggests how large the difference is: Mac Jones ball out 38th fastest Justin Fields ball out 185th fastest https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/mac-jones-justin-fields-who-has-advantage-2021/ So how does arm strength impact efficiency? Why is Fields' release so much slower? So if Jones can make all the throws, but he can anticipate sooner and release the ball quicker, is Arm strength really a factor you want to use to disqualify him? That leaves mobility. Fields is a much better runner. Fields has the long term upside advantage, and for that reason I would take him over Jones. But to say that Jones does not belong in round 1 because he has an average arm-I ask you this, "Does he make all the throws?" A: Yes. And he reads the coverage and delivers the ball quicker than most other QBs.

Name a school known for producing QBs lately? Louisville? NC State? Oklahoma? Florida State? It is really hard to find one. I would have said the same about Herbert last year (Oregon--been a few years since Fouts played).

I do not see it. They are not (to the best of my knowledge) shopping in free agency. Keeping my eyes open, however. Not sure bringing in Tua or drafting Jones would be great for the locker room (Bama). Interesting to see what Philly and Detroit do.

Falcons: if I had Ryan and his contract, I might draft a WR in round 1 and Mond in round 2. Let him learn and work on fundamentals for 2 years, then Aaron Rodgers him.

I see that.

The objective here is not to compare Jones to Brady--it is to demonstrate how off many people are about QBs--the system, coaching, and skill sets matter. So if someone wants to say, "Waah. I do not want Jones and I am going to hold my breath if we draft him," Then the person makes a pointless statement. We should be examining his skill set and his college accomplishments and drawing intelligent, articulated conclusions. So if the only reason for a post is to tell us that the poster does not want a player but that poster provides no intelligent reasons, then it is a garbage, meaningless post. Its OK not to want Jones, but have some intelligent reasons to share (which was my point) because a player in college is not aligned to the player in the pros--as Brady demonstrates.

Yes--instinctive and subtle---it is the secret to his success, imo.

Here, I want to dissect the common perceptions about Jones and this post sets me up nicely--not attacking you, countryboi, just using the post to make some counter points. You may be right, but I would like to know the facts/stats that told you this---what was it you saw or read that drew you to this conclusion? Would you have called Tom Brady "generationally talented" as a Senior at Michigan? Jones broke the NCAA passing completion percentage record by completing 77.4% of his passes. In the Championship game, Jones completed 36 of 45 passes for 464 yards and five touchdowns during Alabama’s 52-24 victory over Ohio State in Monday’s In doing so, he set national championship game records in passing yards and competitions. Tom Brady's senior year at Michigan (with Jones' comparisons in parentheses): 16 TDs (42), 6 Interceptions (4), completion percentage 61.0% (77.4), and 2217 total yards (4500) with 7.5 yards per attempt (11.2). So if you call Brady a "generational talent", then you would not have done so when he was in college, based on the comparisons to Jones above. If he was not one in college but became one, then you would have to admit that Jones was about twice as effective in college as a player you describe to be a generational talent in the NFL, and you should be able to provide us with the reasons Jones as a college senior was more productive than the GOAT was in college, yet Jones is not a generational talent and the underachieving Brady is. Are you basing your opinion about Jones solely on the fact that he lacks mobility? Rhule said that Jones is very smart and most scouts drool over his ability to effectively and quickly go through progressions. Is running more important than his intelligence and accuracy? Just curious how one might defend the supposition that Jones is not going to be a generational talent when the GOAT was not a generational talent in college by comparison, and he just won a ring a few weeks ago--his seventh. Not trying to be a tool, but I am really interested in knowing what it is you all see that I cannot.

Ertz and CMC are Stanford boys. Nothing more than that, imo.

Yes, and he is probably available if you want to see what happens to a QB if they are not protected or given enough weapons---I would love to see how a real coaching staff uses a mobile qb--RR showed us how to run one into the ground to save his ass every year.

Or you won't be back at all if you are wrong.

Based on Verge's list, the Panthers want the Anti-Bridgewater--an athletic mobile, strong-armed QB--a Cam Newton-type QB.