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He is either a big NO for folks or he is a top 3 QB. Funny how polarizing he is.

Not interested in debating whether a QB is going to be good or not--systems and patience play huge roles. Most of us would have bashed Tom Brady if it was suggested we drafted him.... I am interested in Rondale Moore, a player you pitched last week, I think. He could be there in 2nd. I am also interested to see you are high on S Gillespie--another round 2 prospect. I would love to hear that Moton is going to the left side and we could take Teven Jenkins and plug him in at RT on day one. If we added 2 Gs in free agency, that could get scary. I am also impressed that you are not too high on Cosmi--not a first rounder. Round 2 looks good if we want value at G. Thanks for posting this, Verge.

Not knocking you for posting it--we should--it just amazes me when people try to cover all the bases. The fact that Watson and Tepper are flirting is the news, but they have to take it to some analysis that is common sense.

And you are a nobody whose opinion is about as meaningful as yesterday's weather update. It would bother me more if you agreed with me.

Isnt the stuff these scholars are reporting rather common sense? The panthers will either trade for Watson, draft a QB, or stick with Teddy for a year. We will know more about this by the end of next week.

Says??? Mac can run an offense. He had some of the best stats ever at QB this year. He simply is not going to be an option, qb draw, scrambling, etc. He can read a defense quicker than most people can read a Stop sign. He has a fairly quick release and an average arm that is much less of an issue than with QBs with slower deliveries. You may guess that is what Jones is, but if he is used correctly, I am afraid you will be denying you said this in a few years. Mond? He has the tools, the skill set--needs to put it together. I will go as far as to say that Jones will be drafted by a better team, and after Lawrence (The jags have picks and cap room galore), he will be the most successful QB early in his career.

Not when he was 4. That's my point.

I think Tribuski would play the best ball of his career here if we landed a few OL and a WR3.

Free agency: RG: Sign John Miller to a contract in the $5m per range. He was decent to good last year---I would give him a 2-3 year deal and not worry about RG for a year or two. I would offer Miller front-end guaranteed money and a 3-year deal in the $15m range. (First year: $4m). I should add that I also like Gabe Jackson, but he is similar to KK in that his salary jumped as his performance dropped—injury related, for the most part, but some question his motivation. Jackson would require more money—maybe twice what we can get Miller for. LG: I like Austin Blythe (UFA Rams) and he could transition to his natural position, C next year, if not sooner. Let him compete with Daley for the LG and Paradis for the C position. Paradis’ contract can be voided after this season, or he could be a post June 1 cut and save another $1.4m. Signing Blythe gives us an upgrade at C and LG if Daley gets hurt making coffee or opening his mail. Blythe will probably command a bigger contract, but I think 3-years at $18m might do the trick. (First year: $5m) CB: Gareon Conley (UFA Houston) is an interesting option. His salary is low (rookie deal) and he sat out 2020 with an ankle injury. He has been very good in man coverage and bad in zone coverage. At nickel, he could be special, or we could move him out and lock down the oppositions’ #1 WR by playing him in some form of man coverage as the others stay in a zone. As a nickel, I think he would take a 1 year deal in the $4m range because he is a huge question mark right now and his stock is down. A perfect example of a good player who can get lost in the wrong system. CB: Cameron Sutton (UFA Pittsburgh) gives the Panthers a veteran, athletic presence on the outside, and I am estimated his salary will be in the $9-10m range. While the Steelers want to re-sign him, they are in cap hell and have many others to consider as well. It is doubtful they keep Sutton, and their loss is our gain. I would offer him (26) a four-year deal in the $40m range, with $8m counting against the cap this season. DT: Jonathan Hankins (UFA, Las Vegas) is only 29 and could really fit in nicely to the Panther rotation (Brown, Kerr, Roy). He makes tackles, with 48 last year. I would give him fair market value for 3 years, most all guaranteed on the front-at $3.3m per year ($10m). It sure seems that the DT free agent market is ripe for meeting the Panthers’ needs. Summary: Yes, there are other needs, but this makes the OL stronger and addresses C depth and future. We’d only need to draft a LT to groom while Scott holds it down. We just went from weak to good at CB, locking down a good #1 CB for 4 years. And we added a quality DT to the rotation. How much is this costing us in 2021? $24m. We’d need to move some money to sign the rookies, or adjust these contracts, but it is doable.

I have him as a center so if he can play both, yep.

I liked him before he was drafted.

I have not looked into the specific players yet--but I will. From what I hear, he seems like a winner.

Do you know how many bad picks have been made when emotion and desperation are allowed to pervade logical and practical thinking? Picking the wrong QB is more of a setback than building until the right one becomes available. Enhanced film? I agree they should be able to figure it out, but they don't. Picking any QB is not the answer--picking the right QB and surrounding him with protections and weapons is important. Film does not measure some of the intangibles that separate a quarterback from a franchise QB. People dismiss the presence of the QB in the locker room--the film room--the practice field--etc. I doubt Teddy has a presence there. But I was not talking about Teddy--you were.

Speed is a nice feature, but i do not value it as much as others when checking out QBs. Speed leads to running and running leads to injuries over the long haul. That is why I hated Rivera because I could see that he was wasting Cam to win games, at times, meaningless games. Such an overrated coach.

Or trade back (remember Fitterer said he likes to do that, and that there is not much difference between pick 18 and 40 (or something close to that)... You make the OL better, you make whoever is playing QB better. Make the D better, and it changes the offensive strategy in some situations and it gets you the ball back more often. So yes, I see this as a better long-term strategy that going all in on a QB and getting fleeced of picks and talent that is hard to overcome.

My humble point of view--and there are hundreds of ways to go here--- Get 2 good Guards. Sign a top-end CB. Congratulate yourselves for having a good free agency. Here is the reason I say this: We have 4 safeties with experience (if you do not count Chinn) They are Burris, Franklin, Hartsfield, and Robinson. Yes, we could add one here, but I am not sure we should yet. We need a #1 CB and let Pride and Jackson cover lesser WRs. That is our biggest need in the secondary--a #1 CB. Personally, I want Chinn at S, QB of the defense. I draft an OLB;SS hybrid to free him up some. Offensively, we signed Scott, feel that Daley can play LT--and I think we address OT later--but you do NOT want a rookie LT in that was drafted in round 2-3. They get torched. Secondly, you could move Moton to LT and play Scott/Daley at RT--then draft a LT later for depth. If we had 2 veteran guards and maybe a C in free agency, we could have a strong OL. If we grabbed a CB and 2 G's in the draft, then my board looks like this: 1. QB 2. WR 3 3. C 4. OLB 5. OT 6. CB, TE, DL I think, if Moton can switch to LT effectively, we could have a good OL with 2 free agent Guards. What about TE? Well, good point. A TE in my opinion is needed, but some "experts" seem to think that Brady does not use them much. The TE we signed in the offseason from Seattle was a converted WR at....LSU. Meanwhile, Rhule called free agent Manhertz one of the best TEs in football, and we signed Stevens, the hybrid QB/TE from New Orleans. I think we have a plan in place for TE..

He may be a great one day, but the wrong system could cost a lot of smart men their jobs. To be honest, that is how you really have to look at this: If my ass was on the line, would I take Lance in the top 10? Would I take Fields? Would I take Wilson after pulling a Bearish trade up only to find out that he is not the answer? What I want as a fan does not matter--would you take Lance if your ass was on the line? Now, having said that, the owner in Carolina is screaming QB, so I think you are going to get a QB--taking a lot of the guesswork out.

We have many more options than people on the Huddle are willing to consider. They focus on one guy, then defend that guy come hell or high water, because they want to be right. But the more you dig, the more likely you are to find buried bodies. Personally, I am interested in QBs who are being trashed because they were in horrible systems--no OL, no WRs, etc. No QB can look good with that. People agree with that statement until I mention names--then they become Captain Hindsight and start saying, "He sucks." My point: "Well duh-have you seen his OL? WRs? Coach? So instead of forcing the issue by trading up for the fourth best gamble at QB and losing draft capital and players, I am not against a 1-year contract for a player who might prosper in a system where the OL is solid, WRs are on point, and the coach understands his strengths. Personally, I want to see who signs Trubiski. I want to see where Mariota and Darnold go. I think one or more will find a system to be reborn.

Interesting point. Chris Weinke could not throw across his body (to his left) and the NFL learned that very quickly. I think he beat Minnesota for the opener and proceeded to lose 15 straight.

They all have red flags and question marks--including Trevor, but to a lesser degree.

This is why I am glad we had the head coach and GM there. Rhule values the cerebral players--players who can adapt to multiple positions, players that do not make mental mistakes. At the SR Bowl, he praised Jones for his processing. So if they leave NDSU with these questions answered, he could be the player we move up to grab. I wish he had more experience. The same people saying (about Jones) "Yeah, but he had a great team around him." should be saying that with Lance as well. I do not buy into that nonsense because if you have that great team and you perform at a high level, what were you supposed to do? The thing I like about Lance is this: He has the speed and running ability, but rarely do his feet move before he has made the decision not to throw. That (to me) reflects decisiveness--the QB has a clock, when the routes are not open, he snaps into run mode and the pass is not going to happen. With other running qbs, they tend to read while on the run, often throwing just before they cross the LOS. That creates problems for the WRs, OL, etc. Timing is off, linemen not knowing if they should block down field, and the throw is often less than accurate because the feet are not firmly planted to throw--usually all arm. Mahommes can do this, but I am not sure I want a 1 year, 20 year old kid from SDSU making those freelance (no pun) decisions in the NFL--at least not early on.

welcome aboard.

This is not a comparison between Jones and Lawrence---if it is, Jones had a better OL and WRs and he had the better numbers...So that does not prove Jones is not good. It proves that he did what he was supposed to do with a better team. 77.4% completions, 42 TDs, vs. 4 Ints. 349 yards per game--11.2 yards per pass attempt. Those numbers are as good or better than most all QBs--this year and many others. Those numbers are not average or even good--they are elite. So please tell me what numbers a great QB would have posted at Bama this year? Completion percentage: TDs in 13 games: Interceptions (13 games): Yards per game: Yards per attempted pass: Once we determine where the threshold for greatness is, maybe we can see this more objectively. I want to see what you think a great QB at Bama should have done this year.