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Thats what struck me too i mean, we all know, Sean is a dirt bag but still listening to many podcasts last night the conclusion of those people was ‘backup’ at best for Young ,

No poo Sherlock (Peyton) from the charlotte observer scott fowler Bryce Young still isn’t ready, and Panthers’ QB plight remains a hot mess after Denver loss BY SCOTT FOWLER [email protected] 4hrs ago I was curious. Maybe you were too. I wanted to know if Bryce Young would look any different after a forced five-week sabbatical. I wrote that Young should start the next game after the Panthers got pummeled by 33 points at Washington on Oct. 20 with Andy Dalton at the helm. And Young indeed returned on Sunday — not at all because of that column, but because Andy Dalton coincidentally got in a minor car wreck on Tuesday and subsequently had to be benched for a week to let his sprained thumb recover. But I’m not that curious anymore. Young is still not ready, and the Panthers got whipped Sunday by Denver, 28-14. As soon as Dalton’s thumb injury on his throwing hand is healed enough to play, it will sadly once again be true what head coach Dave Canales has said many times over the past five weeks: Dalton will again give the Panthers (1-7) their best chance to win, as slim as that may be. And Young? Well, he’s going to have a pretty long NFL career somewhere. And it’s going to be as a backup. All of that gives the Panthers their usual hot mess of a QB situation, in the middle of their usual hot mess of an offense. Said Broncos coach Sean Payton after the game: “It’s not a good offense we played. It’s just the truth.” Dalton turns 37 on Tuesday and the Panthers pushed almost all their chips to the center of the table when they drafted Young No. 1 in 2023. Carolina will have to enter the QB sweepstakes again in 2025 — at this point that seems clear. Misfiring on the Young pick has set the franchise back at least two years. The contrast between Young and not only CJ Stroud from last year but also several of the rookie quarterbacks from this year’s draft class couldn’t be starker. That was Denver rookie Bo Nix orchestrating one superb march after another Sunday, accounting for all four touchdowns for the Broncos (5-3) and never turning the ball over himself in his eighth overall NFL start. And that was Young, now 2-17 overall in 19 NFL starts, throwing two interceptions in critical situations and flirting with delay-of-game penalties on about every third snap. Young also brought out one of his old favorites — the greatest hit no one wants him to play but that he can’t seem to resist. You know it after you see the quick scramble to the right: it’s the 4-yard checkdown pass on third-and-12. At one point Sunday, Young and his offensive teammates — and let’s be fair, Carolina was missing its two best veteran receivers due to injuries — were so awful that in a six-drive span they gained a total of 27 yards and one first down. In six drives! Canales said during the game that they were “trying to find things that Bryce can throw with confidence,” but those were non-existent in those half-dozen possessions. It was during that period that Denver went from 7-0 down to the Panthers to 21-7 up, and at that point the Panthers grew desperate enough to try a fake punt on fourth-and-6 from their own 24. It was a silly thing for Canales to order up, because even if you make it, you’re at least 60 yards away from the end zone. But it still could have worked, had punter Johnny Hekker not thrown the ball like he was trying to hit a fan in the third row. Instead, Denver took over, quickly scored again and took an insurmountable 28-7 lead. Not that Payton — reviled by many Panthers fans for all the beatdowns his New Orleans teams put on Carolina over the years — stopped trying to pile it on. Payton has always done whatever he wants, in New Orleans or in Denver. On Sunday, Payton’s Broncos tried a fake field goal in the fourth quarter with a 21-point lead and later went with a double-pass trick play (neither of them worked for points). The fourth quarter’s only points came on Young’s late drive, when he took the Panthers 98 yards for a TD. If only it had mattered to anyone except bettors watching the over-under line (it was 41). The score wasn’t as bad as the first two games Young started this year, when Carolina lost 47-10 to New Orleans and 26-3 to the L.A. Chargers. That’s when Canales benched Young, only two games into what we thought was going to be a resurrection project by a young quarterback whisperer of a head coach. But Canales, quickly, had enough. Sunday’s final score sounded better than Young’s first two games in 2024 — as did Young’s final stats — but mostly due to all those garbage-time yards (although let’s pause and point out that the Panthers may have something good in undrafted rookie wide receiver Jalen Coker). In reality, Young looked pretty much the same. He had a couple of nice moments, leading Carolina to an early 7-0 lead with a sharp 6-yard TD throw to rookie Xavier Legette following the Panthers’ recovery of a fumble at Denver’s 49. But then he had a lot of cringeworthy ones, too. “There was stuff left out there that I have to wear,” Young said, speaking about missed opportunities. “He ended up 24-of-37 for 224 yards, along with two TD passes and two interceptions. In Young’s 19 NFL starts, those 224 yards actually rank as his fourth-most. This was also only the third time in those 19 starts that Young has thrown two or more TD passes. In other words, statistically that (yesterday’s) was a Top 5 all-time NFL game for Young. And that goes to show you where the bar has been set.

This final sumnary grade from the Charlotte Observer says it all There isn’t much fire there — in personality or talent. It’s hard to see Young getting another shot before the bye week if Dalton recovers in time for the Week 9 matchup against the New Orleans Saints. Overall grade: D

No INMHO He needs to either be an OC or an HC Not both and certainly not with this team Few head coaches are good enough to be successful at both

Team looks undisciplined His in game decisions are not helpful and not smart same for personnel groupings I understand the challenges with what he has but for the love of God, a fake punt on your own 23? That call on 4th and 2 to the short side of the field, please No point in discussing the defense …but to be the OC and the HC, it is not working

I never want to see him again cant get out if the huddle, can’t roll to where his protection is, not smart enough to not run out of bounds, not smart enough to let the clock run out before snapping the ball

What would Bill Parcells do…or Bill Bellinchek…or any current nfl level coach

With this coach, apparently so his decisions are not helpful to that goal fake punt on his own fuging 20 yard line

No words Canales should be fired today

How in the world did this team win a game

I sure as don’t have any hope now

Hopeless that is what I feel watching Young under center add Canales calling plays and it’s a bowl of poo soup

poor play call poor design poor personnel selection poor coaching and execution

Young on the 1 ft yard line what could go wrong

Not sure where the fault lies yes, drafting to a scheme is optimum. Yes the scheme is set by coaching philosophy or is supposed to be and delivered by the GM based on scouting reports I get all if that …I’m just having a hard time seeing a draft be successful here…very hard I’m also not sure Morgan and Canales is the right combo for the future when I see a coach having faith in Ian Thomas instead of Chuba on a critical 3rd or 4th, it just isn’t smart on the simplest level in game It doesn’t inspire faith in the harder decisions Add to it a luxury running back pick they traded up to get who has yet to see the field when there are so many other needs. That line is good enough any average rb would do

Friend, you don’t actually think the Panthers will see the red zone do you .lol only way that happens is if somehow they can run the ball against that defense that will be trying to stop it all game long because the noddle armed, bunny hooper can complete a pass ..and besides, Canales doesn’t have the desire to run….even if it does work

I’m just having a hard time with the same scouts and scouting system that brought the last 6 or 7 years of draft failure, picking anyone Who knows how much Tepper’s hand was in it …but the Panthers have had failed draft classes consistently until the root cause of that prolonged failure is identified and corrected, it isn’t going to matter I’m also not feeling great about Morgan and Canales under the influence of said owner The difference between winning and losing is the Draft…those who do it well, win…those who don’t are Carolina, Cleveland et al

I’d say first qtr

There is little doubt in my mind, and probably yours, Carolina will get the number 1 pick carolina is dreadful tomorrow, yet another step into dreadfulness

The ‘want to’ had to be there Allen has that Nfl is hard …QBs have to work at their craft constantly as opposed to, i dont know, watching Netflix, by themselves for a couple of months in the offseason if Morgan drafts a qb, that ‘want to’ work on that craft above all else has to be there

….so…out of a traffic accident, Dalton only has an issue with a sprained right thumb lol ok how convenient

Blue chips, maybe not but a team should be drafting blue chips but for the panthers thats a whole other fug up only so many teams in the nfl players want to play and earn a paycheck at this point, find an avg NFL qb who knows how to play in Canales system, and avg decent WRs and for the love of God, even an average TE and they become a serviceable offense free agents The draft should be all defense unless they think Ward can be a star qb in a couple of years this is truly the worst team ibe ever seen watching a review of dalton and the receivers, Dontae Johnson and Dalton were not on the same page, not sure what is going on with those 2, but, not good

He isnt being played prior to trade deadline to not risk injury and to not remind other teams who is If they get a 4th and/or taking over some portion of his salary, move him It is clear as day, either the coach and/or owner and GM has zero faith in him He is persona non grata to the coach

Yep They are not playing him to ensure he doesn’t get hurt and hoping he doesn’t give fresh images of how he actually is it seems pretty clear that Canales is finished with him… now, whether he is finished with him because of Tepper and or Morgan or just himself, who knows

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