Knaakedup

https://www.golongtd.com/p/quarterbacks-of-the-future When reading this article, the first third of it is pretty damning when it comes to Reich and co. “Any coordinator still operating this way is immediately telling on himself.” And that’s why our offense is the way it is. Reading about the creativity of another mind from the Shanahan tree just makes me shake my head incessantly over here.

I mean, one is a future HOF'er and the other... well..

That’s all I took from that as well

Look, I agree mostly with everything you said. The reason I mentioned Cam was bc he was the outlier to your hypothesis here. We failed that man so bad, and I still get upset thinking of all the old guys that rode his tailcoat (looking at you, Ron) while putting him in no position to succeed. Yet… he did anyway. Yes, we have to assemble a better team around Bryce from top to bottom to see what we got. But, my comparison there is just that even with poo roster, all the other guys had moments that changed the game and made things exciting.

Do you remember the supporting cast when Cam dragged this team to the SB?

This is a fair response. Maybe my expectations are just a tad unrealistic due to Cam and watching other QBs in the league. And you're right, there has been a few throws that would have been TDs (looking at you poo for hands, Ian Thomas), but he can't catch the ball himself. I think my main gripe is not so much Bryce, I am good with seeing how he pans out the next year or two, but for the love of God, get a creative and younger coaching staff to build and offense around him. You put Bryce in a scheme like Miami runs (I'm not saying we need a Tyreek, etc.), but all that motion, pre-snap movement to keep the defense honest, and creativity would probably take a load off his shoulders and allow that "super brain" of his to make some good poo happen. Reich and co. were probably the absolute worst option available to us for this situation.

Agree wholeheartedly with this, well said

I was dying when I got to that part of it

Agreed. He looked like he was ready to show out by the end of last season.

He needs to be taken out back like “Old Yeller” at this point. In the career way, not actual take him out back and put him down way.

Maybe, but he also forgot Thielen was in the medical tent when he called up a play for only Thielen lol. The only thing I can do at this point is laugh. Putting TMJ into the “home alone” context is hilarious in its own incompetent right.

Holy poo, this Reddit thread on Frank’s latest gaffe is pretty great. “My man got Kevin Mcallister’ed” https://reddit.com/r/panthers/s/5Crhixfk3Z

I mentioned in another thread, but he’s yet to pass the eye test for me. I have yet to have one singular moment where I was “wow’ed” and felt like we were good moving forward with him, regardless of coaching. Cam - I knew it. You could tell immediately. Joe Burrow - even though they lost a lot, he was dragging them within winning. CJ Stroud - not trying to start any arguments about what he has vs Bryce, but he clearly has the making of a franchise QB. as the #1 pick, franchise QB, you should be elevating everyone around you and giving us some moments of “comfort”, per-say. Drag this sad sack of WRs to the end of the game, clawing and fighting instead of throwing pick after pick and showing very little interest/urgency. Im not out on him - for the record - but to say I have been underwhelmed would be an understatement. Maybe I’m jaded from the tank of a human Cam was and his legit Superman will to carry this poo organization to the finish line. Also, if he NEEDS it to be perfect around him to succeed, then that’s not the definition of a franchise QB I really want to build around.

Not only that, I can’t tell if his nonchalant attitude is really him in his normal coach mode, or him in “I don’t know if I want to do this, maybe it’s time to retire” mode. IF that is his normal mode, why the hell did we bring that type of attitude in for a brand new rookie QB. That’s the type of retread that gets brought in with an established vet for an Aaron Rodgers type QB to play pretend coach.

Jesus Christ on a motorbike that is embarrassing

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but... it won't. Not until it is garbage time again, which could be before half time after Miami puts up a 50 burger on us by then. Do we still continue with the positive narrative here of "at least he put together some good drives during garbage time" next week?

But it's not. Giving him credit as being impressed with his rhythm during garbage time is more of a weird take. It's trash time stat padding, that doesn't dictate or show anything, the game is over at that point and the other side is just going through the motions. He never sees that type of defense when the game matters and has yet to show he can handle it.

It was garbage time with prevent defense...

Exactly! ALL of his numbers here are basically coming in trash time when the game is very much out of hand. But CJ on the other hand... wow... what a whiff on our part. If the NFL allowed one mulligan per team, now would be the time to use it.

If you're drunk enough and look at this thinking its Golf scores, he's doing incredible

Too add onto my previous post, the other part of this is the competitive fire. I just don't see it. What I do see, which is extremely troubling, is any time we have a penalty that sets us back I just know our drive is done for. In summary: I still miss Cam

While it was a well thought out post, I would have to strongly disagree with the majority of it. That’s why opinions are opinions, everyone is entitled to one. Where you lost me was “patience”. The game, life, and everything that revolves around both move fast. You either adapt and overcome or get left behind. Frank is clearly out of his depth, stubborn, and archaic with his processes. He’s a relic of the older days NFL. Time to ripcord out of this as fast as possible. Fit - I cannot fathom how you or anyone else could still be on board for him. Every single move (by committee or not) has been the wrong one. Every single one. Hindsight is always 20/20, but if your historical moves are all bad, there’s no reason to believe it will automatically start getting better. He has to be jettisoned at the bye. Full rebuild time. New GM, let him pick his coach, and Tepper has to be hands off with everything. If all that happens, we might be back in the winners circle in 4/5 years with or without Bryce.

The thing you're missing here is the "eye test". Like everyone who threw out Joe's stats, etc., the part that is missing is what it was like watching him in those losses. Like, you KNEW he was the guy for the future. The way he balled out against everything working against him. Kind of like Cam's rookie year. Even though we were losing, I was SO HYPED to watch him. I knew he was the guy for us. I have had absolutely none of those experiences with Bryce. Not one moment has had me thinking he's our guy. I have had plenty of "about time" moments where he has created something as things were falling apart but its hard to be "wow'ed" by that when any 3rd string back up in the league could and should be able to do that.

Exactly this. There's a reason why we took you at #1, and in this day and age, you better come in and hit the ground running while elevating everyone around you. If poo has to be perfect around you to succeed, then we didn't do our homework correctly and everyone is to blame.