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Rhule gets paid to coach not play so his shape has nothing to do with the team. Players are a whole different issue. Their physicality is a huge concern. And Rhule is the boss so he can say what he wants especially after paying Horn a 12 million dollar signing bonus.

Agree with those who say Rhule is throwing the book at him now while he has time to absorb everything between Minicamp and the start of training camp. Throw it all him and let him get further into the playbook after minicamp. If you drop back pass you go through your progressions and see your guys run the route tree. That is invaluable when you start training camp. Then you can design plays that play to the QBs strengths once he has mastered the playbook. And you can develop and expand the playbook much faster and develop plays for every receiver based on their chemistry with Sam. But if Darnold doesn't know the playbook up and down he holds back the development of the whole offense.

News flash. Moton is getting left tackle money or he will play under the tag and get his payday somewhere else. I figure Rhule knows that if you're going to.pay left tackle money then why not play him there as well if he can.

Don't see us going all in at this point. If we underachieve this year you might be right about next year but right now I don't see an all in season yet.

We are bringing in guys and waiving them to get a look at as many guys as possible. It is likely our developmental players may not currently be on the team. A guy like Thomas isn't a developmental guy. He is either on the team as a solid choice or gone as we go a different route.

That is the thing. If Gilmore wants a trade to get a multi-year big contract it sure won't be here. Now if he doesn't get traded he will sign with the Patriots for a 1 year deal and cash in next year when the cap goes way up. He is just asking for a trade to see what interest he can get from other teams. It should be interesting to see how this develops but I don't see us being a player in that market.

He wasn't going to miss out on 12 million and a chance to have another 1000 yard season. With Darnold throwing the deep ball I think he might have his best season yet.

With teams strapped for cash there will be lots of vets either without jobs or willing to take what they can get to stay in the league.

He will make top dollar or he will play under the tag. He has the leverage and will get left tackle money given there isn't a difference between right and left tackle anymore. Or at least that is what his agent will be saying.

He could be depth with the potential to start. If his contract is vet minimum or at least cheap what do we have to lose really?

Of course we can get more pressure. We just need a better scheme than rushing 3 folks. Can we play more man? I thought the answer was yes with Aboye potentially outside but with Donte alligator arms Jackson I am not sure. Then again we will likely play zone and man. Can't just play one coverage exclusively. I thought we were trying Chinn at free safety and this wasn't mentioned at all.

I don't know why DJ is playing outside. Not only is he relatively small but he plays shorter than he is. His arms are short and teams routinely threw over the top on him. A guy like Norman who is 2 inches taller at 6'0" played much taller than he was and could go up with receivers to take the ball away. I haven't seen much of that with DJ ever.

In reviewing stats yesterday looking at points for and points against for us and others in the division I noticed the obvious and perhaps the not so obvious. Obviously you have to score more than you give up and in most every category our defense gave up.more than we produced. So obviously the problem was the offense right? Given we don't play our offense against our defense but other teams defense then how does our offense compare to others teams defenses and you see the issue. NO and TB both has top 10 defenses. Of course they had top 10 offenses as well. While Atlanta is supposedly bad on defense, points wise they were right next to us. So how many points can we realistic expect to give up and still win? Obviously the answer is we need to score 1 more point than they score. But given the defenses in our division and on our schedule can we afford to give up 25 points a game and stand a good chance of winning? Can our offense consistent put up 27 points a game? Should they have to? I have always said my goal for the team is don't give up more than 21 points and you should be in most games. That would have put up top 5 last year. NO gave up 20.9 and Tampa gave up 21.6 and were both top 10. So while we want our offense to be prolific and score 30 points a game is that realistic? And given that Tampa and NO score 30 points a game on offense and Atlanta scored close to 25 points is it realistic to assume we can hold them to way below their season average. And yes I know Brees retired but I am not writing them off until I see them suck. I keep seeing the discussion about how we were on both sides of the ball compared to other defenses or offenses on the same side of the ball but wanted to change the conversation to how will our defense compare to the offenses and vice versa.

And let's be clear I don't give Brady or Rhule a pass either. Brady playcalling was predictable and I didn't see much progression as the year unfolded which is what you would expect given limited offseason and no training camp. I loved his scheme but he needs to get better too. I love Rhules drafts and like his culture development but things like clock management and when to challenge were baffling at times. I am optimistic for the future and realize that they were all in new positions for the first time. Hopefully they all grow and develop immensely. But a turd is a turd no matter how much you polish it. Last year was bad. This year we have better personnel. Now with better execution and playcalling along with an evolved scheme we should have better results. As a Panther fan what else would you want. I hope we are top 10 on both offense and defense this year because we are due. I guess I should focus less on the past and more on the present and future.

But the point is our zone defense was poor as well. Look and see how many times receivers would find huge holes in the zone and instead of closing to attack the man once he comes into the zone our guys sat there and waited for the ball to be thrown before reacting. Even zones have man to.man responsibilities once a guy comes into their area. And let's be real. In today's NFL you have to use multiple stunts and disguise rushes and coverages or you get eaten alive. And zone coverage demands a pass rush not 3 guys rushing straight ahead and sending a linebacker from 10 yards away on a delayed blitz. That is a poor scheme regardless of the personnel. We were more effective when we did send pressure so I disagree that we had no choice but to play prevent. We played passive between the 20s and tightened up in the redzone. Yeah you can argue you can cover tighter given the restricted space so we could take more chances but if it worked then why not make that our dominant scheme? I can't agree that playing passively worked better than being aggressive. Show me numbers to show I am wrong. When McDermott got here our defense in year 1 was pretty poor and we struggled with young and inexperienced guys. But we ran a more aggressive scheme and lived and died by the big play and had lots of missed assignments. But we got better over time and improved. The scheme stayed the same because it is hard to go from passive to aggressive. It is a different mindset. I hear lots of we are going to be aggressive and have a hell of a pass rush. I dearly hope so. I love aggressive football aka Jim Johnson and think we have the personnel to run that scheme. I hope we don't see anymore of the prevent defense which is what his 3-5-3 is. A college scheme that got picked apart last year. I know I am in the minority but it doesn't mean I am wrong. I will become Snow's biggest disciple if we run an aggressive scheme this year and play great. But this is the NFL so there are no excuses. And you need to maximize your personnel and show improvement.. Once teams got film on Snow it seemed we looked worse not better and didn't really change all year.

I don't think knew Gase what he was doing but he sure thought he did.

Not being a contrarian at all just pointing out the realities of what I saw. The offensive scheme was solid but the offensive play was poor largely due to Teddy not throwing the ball. But the defensive scheme was not solid at all nor was the play. Our zone was passive not attacking and we didn't even blitz to help the secondary. We left poor defenders out there with no support. The whole we went from really bad to 18th in areas like total yards is what I would expect a casual fan to say. It shows a lack of understanding about situational versus global stats. We went for example from 21st in 2019 to 31st in 3rd down conversions allowed in 2020. Sacks we went from 2nd in 2019 to 21st in 2020. Note I didn't even include passing defense given how young and inexperienced we were. But no the defense didn't help out the offense and given they couldn't stop anyone often limited our chances to score given they didn't get on the field. The offense helped the defense by sustaining drives and giving the defense decent field position being 9th in time of possession in 2020 versus 23rd in 2019. And on and on. What you called contrarian I called seeing it like it is. I have great hope for Snow but I am in the show me crowd.

From what I saw last year there are lots of adjustments presnap to take advantage of what the defense is showing. So if the defense shows blitz from the right side we often adjusted the back to that side either to block or receive a dump off and sent a receiver in the slot to that side so if they blitzed he can fill the area just vacated by the Blitzer for an easy pitch and catch. Or we overload the zone going high low to give the QB choices. Or we use the slot receiver to pick the corner and the ourside receiver is wide open on a slant. And on and on all from one shift depending on things like defensive positioning, leverage and adjustments they make post snap.

Snow is a great interview and talks a great game. I hope the results actual reflect what he says he is going to do unlike last year. He has all the talent he needs and has a year of experience as a DC. Hopefully we play a much more aggressive scheme this year with much better results. It is embarrassing watching your defense bend until they break and realizing you haven't made the other team punt the ball but once or twice all game. https://www.google.com/amp/s/pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/02/panthers-coverage-rates-conservative-phil-snow/amp/ The viking game was just one of several that the defense gave up because they couldn't stop anyone.

Just the opposite for me Brady scheme attacks the defense and was aggressive if Teddy had thrown it downfield. Snow came in talking about an aggressive defense and then installed a terrible prevent defense that minimized our talent instead of maximized it. Brady needs to.improve his playcalling but Snow needs to show he knows how to install an effective defensive scheme. So far he hasn't come close.

Hard to criticize anyone last year. The defense was so passive we allowed receivers to catch the ball and then tried to.limit yards after the catch. Without pressure the secondary had to cover forever and they weren't good to begin with. How many of those blitz attempts were off of stunts or disguised blitzes versus straight forward predictable bltzes coming from 10 yards back on a delayed blitz which was totally useless since the ball was already out to the 3 receivers wide open.

For me you have to separate scheme from playcalling. His scheme was top 5 but his playcalling was meh. The scheme did allow the offense to attack the defense. Bridgewater was just too timid to maximize it. I cam imagine Brady watching film with Teddy pointing out all of the downfield options he routinely ignored. But actually calling the right play for the situation or coaching up the qb to do what he needs to do was lacking at times and didn't improve as the season went along.

Agreed. If players get surgeries to keep playing what the heck is 2 vaccines in comparison. I bet there are plenty of guys who want their spot and would jump to get the vaccine.

The best news I heard is my PSL will have value moving further. Add the team has more talent and the coaches should be better this year and we could make some noise. Too early to tell and too early to be negative. So let's enjoy the summer and whatever happens.

I expect they will give him the works in preseason just to see what he does. Then when the season starts use lots of short passes, screens and swing passes to get him in a rhythm and boost his confidence. If the defense can bail him out by not surrendering points when he does throw a pick it gives him the confidence to bounce back and keep pounding as opposed to rolling over in New York. The easier start to the season should be very helpful this year.