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We should've taken McConkey over XL. His game would've fit perfectly with Bryce's game, and both are high football IQ guys. But, it's still really too early to be making definitive statements about most of these players in general. You probably want to give it at least a couple of seasons, if not three. And keep in mind that some guys are alwats going to learn quicker, and some positions are simply just easier to learn.

I mean, if that's what you consider "significant." In reference to the WRs, some of these guys are playing because someone is hurt. I've been watching these guys, and though their teams were playing, the only receiver that really made a significant impact is Ladd McConkey. The other guys have been brought along pretty slowly. McMillan obviously had to get more play because of Godwin. The jury is hardly out on any of them, save for McConkey who is obviously the real deal.

Some of you don't seem to understand how horrible a situation Bryce was in last year. You don't appear to fathom the scope. For all intents and purposes, it did absolutely nothing for his development as a pro but set him back. All that being said, I'm giving him a mulligan for that. His rookie year literally was 2023, but his rookie year was effectively 2024. From that perspective, things are not as black and white as you're trying to make it. On an off note, you're proclaiming Bryce will never be a top 20 QB in the near future (if ever for the effect that the next five years would have outside the top 20), but you're already essentially claiming Tet McMillan a top 5 receiver. That's interesting.

Like everything else, it depends upon the value. I'm vehemently opposed to spendthrift ways when it comes to draft capital, particularly first round draft picks.

Who has passed judgment? Y'all are a piece of work. You act like stating the obvious current trend on QB efficiency on two young QBs, including ours, is passing judgement. I know some of you have a difficult time comprehending, while others of you feign it. The story hasn't been written on either Stroud, or, more importantly, Bryce Young. As I am a Panthers fan, I am infinitely more interested in discussing Bryce, and not just in a negative sense whenever the topic of Stroud comes up like some...and I'm not going to apologize for it, and I'm not going to apologize for being tired of the understated shots at Young whenever the two come up, and I'm certainly not going to continue to discuss either of them within the context of the past, and definitely not going to negate the larger context of their current situations when comparing them presently and speculating about the future. Deal with it!

I ain't complaining. Wildcard Weekend is like a box of chocolates.

Who didn't watch? WTF are you talking about about? I know you can read and comprehend. Let me say it again for you: Stroud was pedestrian his sophomore year, so much so that Bryce closed the very wide gap on him in reference to QB efficiency. Deal with it! The move was to wait for the QBs in 2025. That was the move. And that's what a betting man would bet the house on moving forward.

He only had one game that was not really respectable after being benched, and that was against Dallas. His career game, so far, was of course the last one.

Are you gonna call Coach Cowher a retard too. Even he and others acknowledged that Stroud was only good during the second half. He took off not quite near the beginning of the third quarter. Of course the defense was making it a lot easier for him, but like I said, concentrate on that half of football. That's your best bet, because Stroud did not play great this season, or even good as the season went on. Bryce was certainly better later in the season. Deal with it!

We know the situations, including stability, chemistry, coaching, and even wide receiving corps despite injuries. So of course the stats are going to go Stroud's way. That's to be expected. You can't even really compare the two. But what I will say is that if you look at just sheer progress the second half of 2024, the advantage is not so black and white, and that's why advanced metrics have to be analyzed a little more than just basic production. It's also why percentage-based stats are pretty important to study as well. As for total QBR, which some experts consider the best QB measurement, I'm fairly certain Bryce was ranked higher than Stroud, notwithstanding such a dramatic season, and it also speaks to much better play during the second half of the season. https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2025/01/07/all-32-nfl-quarterbacks-including-bo-nix-ranked-by-total-qbr-in-2024/

I'm wasting time and missing the game debating with y'all.

Well, he was decidedly pedestrian this past season. Why is it so hard to admit?

He's in a shitty division. Every QB and O-line has to deal with injuries. "Oh, we made the wrong pick, blah blah blah)."

Well, I haven't exactly seen any other rookie or sophomore QBs do that either.

How did he play the regular season? I see you're still not discussing that. You know why? Because it doesn't meet your slowly dying narrative.

It makes zero sense that Panthers fans would have a grudge against Stroud. It makes more sense that some of us Panthers fans are tired of hearing about how great he is , or how much of a better QB he is when discussing Bryce.

No grudge at all. I just find it weird that people are always at-the-ready to praise Stroud, and for them praising Bryce is like pulling teeth, at many times in the same breath. I was as skeptical of Bryce as anyone after awhile (and still have some skepticism), but you don't basically always here me comparing Bryce to Stroud negatively.

Am I? You're welcome to your opinion.

That's not even honest.

That's the perfect post, and honestly it's the reason why I started trolling. In my opinion, which is not everyone's opinion to be sure, there is way too much appreciation for Stroud in the Huddle, and still not enough for Bryce, which is simply distasteful considering their play in 2024.

So, who what team was worse? Which losing QB was substantially worse? Which game was close? Which game was not? Out of all of the four QBs who played in those two games, which QB was the best? False equivalents don't quite do the trick, and are not as logical as you may pretend.

Gimme that!

Damn Skippy!

I was wrong. We've already been through that. You're sounding like a broken record at this point. We all know that everyone here has been wrong before, including you.