Steve Smith

[raleigh-panther]

30 minutes ago, stankowalski said:

He was right with everything he said.  One thing I didn't agree with was the guy that said Cam "has all the throws".  He didn't then and doesn't now.  He still struggles with those touch passes (as evidenced by the throw to Olsen yesterday on 4th down).  He's gotten better at them but I think he still has room for improvement, which is great when you think about how good he already is.

I have seen this from you and others 

I wonder if anyone considers the running work load and how that affects Cam. No other QB is asked to do so much. Not a one

Can Cam get better?  He knows it and he will 

there also pro qbs who can't throw the long balls he does or the lasers he throws

there is no perfect QB in the NFL including. Brady. 

[stankowalski]

Just now, mav1234 said:

Every QB has things to work on, tho.  Cam is definitely elite this season.

LOL why are you guys getting bent out of shape over this?  I was merely pointing out that the guy who said Cam had all the throws was wrong.  Brady has all the throws, Rodgers has all the throws.  Cam doesn't...yet, but I think he will.  I personally think Cam is an elite talent too, so the fact that he can STILL improve isn't an indictment of him.  

And for the record I think Cam has the possibility of becoming one of the best QB's of all time.  So let's not get bent out of shape right now because I have an opinion that may be different than you or anybody else.

[stankowalski]

3 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I have seen this from you and others 

I wonder if anyone considers the running work load and how that affects Cam. No other QB is asked to do so much. Not a one

Can Cam get better?  He knows it and he will 

there also pro qbs who can't throw the long balls he does or the lasers he throws

there is no perfect QB in the NFL including. Brady. 

Right now his ability to run the ball as effectively as he does is what puts him over the top.  That's what puts him on the same level as Brady and Rodgers to me.  If he didn't have that ability he wouldn't be on their level because his production would be lower.  

[raleigh-panther]

7 minutes ago, stankowalski said:

Right now his ability to run the ball as effectively as he does is what puts him over the top.  That's what puts him on the same level as Brady and Rodgers to me.  If he didn't have that ability he wouldn't be on their level because his production would be lower.  

I disagree with you in this point. WRs participate in a QBs success.  How did Brady do this last week. It is not so easy, ask Aaron Rodgers, to win with Ted Ginn and a player to be named later

i have always thought that flat drops or interceptions caused by WRs should not be part of QBR

[stankowalski]

4 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I disagree with you in this point. WRs participate in a QBs success.  How did Brady do this last week. It is not so easy, ask Aaron Rodgers, to win with Ted Ginn and a player to be named later

i have always thought that flat drops or interceptions caused by WRs should not be part of QBR

Before we go any further in this discussion let me ask you a question.  Do you believe from what you've seen from Brady, Rodgers, and Cam that Cam is just as accurate with his throws as Rodgers and Brady?

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

1 hour ago, QueensKing said:

"I'll give you the top player in three years.... Cam Newton."  Smitty the prophet.  

1 hour ago, QueensKing said:

"I'll give you the top player in three years.... Cam Newton."  Smitty the prophet.  

I know he said this but I cant find it, where did he say it

[RelaxImaPro]

Yeah, I was bringing this up to someone in a Cam MVP thread here a while back... that Smitty basically predicted this poo down to the year and was very genuine in his comments in the video.  Cam is definitely in the conversation for best player in the league this year.

[RelaxImaPro]

7 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron34 said:

I know he said this but I cant find it, where did he say it

At the very end of the video.

[ok2h8pep]

There are things CAM can improve on but I honestly don't care if he ever does.   He's ridiculously good at the position right now.  It's like complaining about pointy elbows on a supermodel.

[Montsta]

1 hour ago, Hammerin'Cameron34 said:

I know he said this but I cant find it, where did he say it

It's the very last line in the video

[raleigh-panther]

59 minutes ago, stankowalski said:

Before we go any further in this discussion let me ask you a question.  Do you believe from what you've seen from Brady, Rodgers, and Cam that Cam is just as accurate with his throws as Rodgers and Brady?

When given time to throw, yes  within % points 

again what is asked of Brady  Rodgers  Wilson  and Newton are quite different   The systems are different 

Hoeever, you could put Cam in NE right now and he would win 

Ask yourself  what other QB could have the Panthers at 12 wins with this group of receivers and your answer is there 

My point is simply the Panthers have a QB that at least 30 other teams would love to have  ...is he perfect , no ... is he a finished product, no  ...but he is pretty damned special so how about   lets appreciate him and and consider too as much of a perfectionist as he is, have faith he will continue to strive for greatness 

that's how I see it  been around pro football a very long time and I believe this guy  is special  very special  

 

[Jangler]

Meh, SSjr. got his Twitter wish, Dad is home every night, if he wants to be.

[stankowalski]

We'll just have to disagree on the accuracy thing then.  Pretty much agree with everything else though.  I think Brady would struggle with this offense only because of how we run things and what's best for him, Rodgers not so much.  Just like I think Cam wouldn't be as good in New England's offense because that's not what he's best at.  It would be very difficult to swap QB's for any of these teams because the offenses of each team is tailored to the strengths of the QB running them.

And when you say you've been around pro football, in what capacity are you talking about?

[ncsfinest21]

I think Cam is 80 percent there. He still misses at times but he was 50 percent last year. I believe alot was due to injuries and not being apart of TC alot due to injuries. This year he had a great TC and it has shown. With Benjamin back next year I think he will be even better. But that pass to Philly Brown and one pass to olsen sort of shows that he isnt 100% there yet. But his 80 percent is better than alot of QB's 100. I expect next year 100% and a greater year then this next year. Dynasty mode. But this year lets get this ring and prove the haters. Next year will just reaffirm ourselves that we can do it back to back and be written down as one of the most dominating teams of all time.