Dave Gettleman: "We need more speed on the field"

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Not to stick my nose in someone else's business, but I have to agree with Haplo on this one. 

Almost every team in the NFL has at least one go to WR. KB was ours, but with him out all season we can't really count him. And if anyone doesn't think Pierre Garcon and Desean Jackson are #1s, then have we ever had an NFL caliber WR outside of Smitty?

Of course you count KB, he's on our team, and will be the no. 1 in TC next year.

You do know that Garcon has had 1 year of production close to KB's right?

[Navy_football]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Of course you count KB, he's on our team, and will be the no. 1 in TC next year.

You do know that Garcon has had 1 year of production close to KB's right?

I know KB is on the team, but he hasn't taken 1 snap this season. My point is THIS Panthers team does not have a true #1. Next year is another Panthers team. Just like they went 7-8-1 last season, next season could be something totally different from this (currently) 14-1 team. Now, mind you the team has been able to win without a true #1, so maybe it doesn't matter that much. Maybe. 

And come on fuzz, does the eye test tell you Garcon isn't a #1. Stats don't always tell the story. Maybe, him playing behind 2 hall of fame WRs early in his career prevented him from accumulating stats. Maybe him playing with a mediocre passing QB (RG3) prevented him from accumulating stats while in DC. I feel confident in saying that if Garcon was on this team for the 2015 season, he would have more receptions, TDs, and yards than KB did in 2014. Now, will KB improve upon his rookie season when he returns? Yes, I think he will improve greatly. But, that still doesn't change the fact that the 2015 Panthers don't have a true #1 WR, while nearly every team in the NFL has at least one.

[Navy_football]

7 minutes ago, Haplo E said:

He probably will, but I hope the injury didn't hinder him. And hopefully we add a respectable free agent to the mix(Alshon Jeffrey?).

I think Alshon would be a huge asset to the team. Probably more than a lot of us think. But I just don't see Gettleman paying him what it would take to get him here. 

As for KB, his game isn't really built around speed and quickness. He's just the biggest, baddest mofo going for the ball. I don't think an ACL tear will hinder his game as much as other WRs. 

[thefuzz]

53 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I know KB is on the team, but he hasn't taken 1 snap this season. My point is THIS Panthers team does not have a true #1. Next year is another Panthers team. Just like they went 7-8-1 last season, next season could be something totally different from this (currently) 14-1 team. Now, mind you the team has been able to win without a true #1, so maybe it doesn't matter that much. Maybe. 

And come on fuzz, does the eye test tell you Garcon isn't a #1. Stats don't always tell the story. Maybe, him playing behind 2 hall of fame WRs early in his career prevented him from accumulating stats. Maybe him playing with a mediocre passing QB (RG3) prevented him from accumulating stats while in DC. I feel confident in saying that if Garcon was on this team for the 2015 season, he would have more receptions, TDs, and yards than KB did in 2014. Now, will KB improve upon his rookie season when he returns? Yes, I think he will improve greatly. But, that still doesn't change the fact that the 2015 Panthers don't have a true #1 WR, while nearly every team in the NFL has at least one.

But he is on the team, just like Jordy Nelson is on the Packers.  Injuries are part of the game, we have a no. 1, and he got hurt, not much you can do about that.  We don't have two no. 1's or any of that nonsense, only a couple teams are that deep at WR in the entire NFL.

My eye test tells me that Garcon is talented, but I would prefer KB on my team with the offense that we run.  As to his system...do you know what he plays in vs. us?  We are a run first team, and KB still managed to outperform him as a rookie....

And on to the last point.  I'm not here talking about no. 1 WR's, I'm discussing whatever the hell Haplo calls a "franchise" WR.  Like the Andre Johnsons, Steve Smiths, Fitzgeralds, etc...of old  the ones who strike fear into coordinators hearts....and there are only a handfull of those around the league.  Ever team has a no. 1, or an X if you will, not all of them are all time greats.

Of the teams currently scheduled to go to the playoffs, the teams that have "franchise" WR's, as in a singular one that can take over a game....the ones that scare me are:

Bengals and Texans with Nuk and AJ.

The teams with a good to great receiving corps:

Cardinals and Jets.

New Englands WR's don't scare me, neither do the Vikings, Seattle, Packers, Skins, Chiefs, or Broncos...and for that matter the Panthers.