So, To The Point That Supposedly The 8th Overall Should Be An Immediate All-Pro, Here's A List Of The Last Ten 8th Overall Picks

[SeoulPanther]

13 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

I understand RBs sometimes need more carries to get into a groove, but at what expense are you going to continue to feed them the ball? If their stat line is something like 12 carries for 33 yards then at some point you have to consider steering your offensive attack towards the passing game if these run plays are essentially wasted plays. A lot of the same people wanting McCaffrey to get 20+ carries are likely the same people yelling at Shula for calling these run plays netting 1-2 yards. Unless you’re content with McCaffrey getting stuffed as long as it isn’t up the gut or something...I dunno, I can’t keep up with all the complaints around here.

Exactly. Lets give him more carries and diminish his impact as a third down player and receiver. This logic makes Shula look like a genius.

[iamhubby1]

5 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

Exactly. Lets give him more carries and diminish his impact as a third down player and receiver. This logic makes Shula look like a genius.

 

    It is not a fact. That if CmC got more carries, he would wilt under the work load. It is fear based supposition at its finest. 

 

    Heaven forbid that CmC get more carries, and actually be effective with them. Then Shula would get even more support. Can't have that. 

[SeoulPanther]

So you don't think that becoming a 3 down workhorse back (something which his ypc suggest is the weakest part of his game) will do anything to reduce his effectiveness in the slot and on clinch 3rd downs (where he has been invaluable)? 

[Mikey815]

3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    It is not a fact. That if CmC got more carries, he would wilt under the work load. It is fear based supposition at its finest. 

 

    Heaven forbid that CmC get more carries, and actually be effective with them. Then Shula would get even more support. Can't have that. 

It was telling after the Miami game that Steve Young asked him y Shula won’t put him in the I and give him carries and Cmc seemed to agree. 

[Mikey815]

Marshall Faulk said the same thing a few weeks ago wondering why he doesn’t get more carries like other first rounders. Look at mixon He is only averaging 3 ypc but they keep feeding him

[SeoulPanther]

@Mikey815 @iamhubby1 so you guys genuinely believe that this revolutionary idea of using a RB for running hasn't occured to coaching staff? NEWSFLASH they aren't giving him carries because they have realised that it isn't the best way to use him. 

[Mikey815]

3 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

@Mikey815 @iamhubby1 so you guys genuinely believe that this revolutionary idea of using a RB for running hasn't occured to coaching staff? NEWSFLASH they aren't giving him carries because they have realised that it isn't the best way to use him. 

Yes he is an outstanding receiver but I think he can also be a more effective runner than Stew. I think Stew should be used in short yardage

[MasterAwesome]

40 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

Marshall Faulk said the same thing a few weeks ago wondering why he doesn’t get more carries like other first rounders. Look at mixon He is only averaging 3 ypc but they keep feeding him

Not sure that’s a good example cause the Bengals offense has been abysmal (29th-32nd in all offensive categories) and Mixon hasn’t been doing anything with those extra carries. Feeding him all those extra carries seems to be more of a detriment to their offense. That looks to be more of a cautionary tale of what happens when you force something that just isn’t working.

[iamhubby1]

13 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

@Mikey815 @iamhubby1 so you guys genuinely believe that this revolutionary idea of using a RB for running hasn't occured to coaching staff? NEWSFLASH they aren't giving him carries because they have realised that it isn't the best way to use him. 

 

    That's a pretty controversial comment there. Got ANY proof you are correct? Some sort of link to back that statement?

 

    If not. It is just an opinion. Not a "NEWFLASH"

[Mikey815]

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

Not sure that’s a good example cause the Bengals offense has been very underwhelming and Mixon hasn’t been doing anything with those extra carries. Feeding him all those extra carries seems to be more of a detriment to their offense. That looks to be more of a cautionary tale of what happens when you force something that just isn’t working.

True in the bengals case. But Stewart is doing poorly and maybe they need to try more outside runs with cmc

[iamhubby1]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Not sure that’s a good example cause the Bengals offense has been very underwhelming and Mixon hasn’t been doing anything with those extra carries. Feeding him all those extra carries seems to be more of a detriment to their offense. That looks to be more of a cautionary tale of what happens when you force something that just isn’t working.

 

    Every case is different. We won't know HOW CmC will impact our Offense, running wise. If we never give him sufficient carries.

 

    Whether it will work. Or whether it won't. Until we actually do it. No one knows what to expect.

 

    

[MasterAwesome]

9 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Every case is different. We won't know HOW CmC will impact our Offense, running wise. If we never give him sufficient carries.

 

    Whether it will work. Or whether it won't. Until we actually do it. No one knows what to expect.

 

    

Yes I know, I wasn’t the one who brought up the comparison in the first place. Just saying that particular example was a poor example if you’re trying to support an argument for giving CMC more carries.

 

In my posts I generally never argue one side or another. I am a big believer in objectivity...so when people state a point in an argument, I like to play Devil’s Advocate in proposing a counterpoint. I never advocate that I am more right than anyone else, but I like to encourage valid and open discussion.

[MasterAwesome]

23 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

True in the bengals case. But Stewart is doing poorly and maybe they need to try more outside runs with cmc

There is also the argument for wearing defenses out late in the game, whether you believe in that or not. I think we can say both backs have been doing poorly thus far, but Stewart is at least indisputably a more physical and punishing runner. His 1-2 yard runs take a toll on the defense when he’s relentlessly pounding into them up the middle, whereas CMC can make people miss...but more often than not, he goes down on first contact.

That’s why I’m personally all for giving CMC more carries but I don’t think Stewart’s role in this offense should be understated. I think perhaps slowly taking some carries away from Stew and giving them to CMC is the best course of action, which I think Carolina is starting to do. It is hard to say with the Miami game because Stew was having so much success early on.

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Yes I know, I wasn’t the one who brought up the comparison in the first place. Just saying that particular example was a poor example if you’re trying to support an argument for giving CMC more carries.

 

In my posts I generally never argue one side or another. I am a big believer in objectivity...so when people state a point in an argument, I like to play Devil’s Advocate in proposing a counterpoint. I never advocate that I am more right than anyone else, but I like to encourage valid and open discussion.

 

    So...how are folks supposed to know how you feel on a subject? Like the song says. You have to stand for something. 

 

    Also, if you are going to play Devils' advocate. Wouldn't it be nice to tell folks that? Otherwise they will take your posts to mean what they say. I mean, I did. But then again, I am not always right on these matters.