And so it begins....Newton vs Luck

[blackcatgrowl]

Sure, I agree with you that the SEC Defenses are better. But I disagree with you that Luck would be worse if he was in the SEC.

Then you're an idiot.

Luck played with guys like Toby Gerhart, Coby Fleener, Chris Owusu, and Doug Baldwin his whole Stanford career. Lets say we put Luck in a Alabama's uniform with play makers like Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson and "Julio Jones", wow lets wonder how many National Championship Luck would have won.

Ok... lets try this your way...

Newton played with guys like Kodi Burns, Darvin Adams, Michael Dyer, and Terrell Zachery at Auburn. Lets say we put Newton in a Alabama uniform with play makers like Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson and "Julio Jones", wow lets wonder how many National Championship Newton would have won.

Oh... wait... he did win a National Championship. Even with scrub WRs and RBs. In fact, he did it in the SEC, against an Alabama defense that went on to win it the championship the very next year.

You called Green and Jones average based on their rookie performances? Seriously. They played pretty damn well for rookie wrs. Compare their stats to three top receivers right now rookie stats, and this is what we have:

Calvin Johnson (2007): 48rec, 756yds, 4tds

Larry Fitzgerald (2004): 58rec, 780yds, 8tds

Andre Johnson (2003): 66rec, 976yds, 4tds

to

A.J. Green (2011): 65rec, 1057yds, 7tds

Julio Jones (2011): 54rec, 959yds, 8tds

Need I say more? To call them average, yes you're an "idiot" then.

I can't believe the stupid ass comparisons you continue to make here.

Megatron = Played behind Roy Williams, and played with an injured back his Rookie year.

Fitzgerald = Played behind Anquan Boldin, and still managed to exceed Jones receptions.

Johnson = Not sure why you brought him up, since he was catching balls from David Carr in 2003, but still managed to beat Jones in yardage and receptions.

Incidentally, if you want a measuring stick for Well Above Average, go look up Anquan Boldin's rookie stats.

Yes, A.J. Green and Julio Jones had great seasons for rookies... but their production was average for a WR in the NFL.

Here's the bottom line:

Luck may turn out to be great. But he might turn out to be a bust. WE DO NOT KNOW.

He's on a team that just went 2-14, and is in Free Agency shambles because of Manning's immediate legacy. The odds aren't in his favor.

ONE Preseason game, and a history at a school that is in a mediocre college conference where he couldn't even win his Senior Bowl Game, is not evidence enough that he can overcome those odds to me.

[carolina-chuck]

Then you're an idiot.

Ok... lets try this your way...

Newton played with guys like Kodi Burns, Darvin Adams, Michael Dyer, and Terrell Zachery at Auburn. Lets say we put Newton in a Alabama uniform with play makers like Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson and "Julio Jones", wow lets wonder how many National Championship Newton would have won.

Oh... wait... he did win a National Championship. Even with scrub WRs and RBs. In fact, he did it in the SEC, against an Alabama defense that went on to win it the championship the very next year.

I can't believe the stupid ass comparisons you continue to make here.

Megatron = Played behind Roy Williams, and played with an injured back his Rookie year.

Fitzgerald = Played behind Anquan Boldin, and still managed to exceed Jones receptions.

Johnson = Not sure why you brought him up, since he was catching balls from David Carr in 2003, but still managed to beat Jones in yardage and receptions.

Incidentally, if you want a measuring stick for Well Above Average, go look up Anquan Boldin's rookie stats.

Yes, A.J. Green and Julio Jones had great seasons for rookies... but their production was average for a WR in the NFL.

Here's the bottom line:

Luck may turn out to be great. But he might turn out to be a bust. WE DO NOT KNOW.

He's on a team that just went 2-14, and is in Free Agency shambles because of Manning's immediate legacy. The odds aren't in his favor.

ONE Preseason game, and a history at a school that is in a mediocre college conference where he couldn't even win his Senior Bowl Game, is not evidence enough that he can overcome those odds to me.

BYE, Have a fun day. Talking to you is like talking to a wall.

[blackcatgrowl]

BYE, Have a fun day. Talking to you is like talking to a wall.

Present me some facts that support your love for Luck, and we can have a conversation. So far, all you've done is make illogical comparisons, and lauded a single performance in a single preseason game against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Till you want to bring something relevant, logical, and factual to the table, yes, you might as well be talking to a wall. Because a factless opinion is like writing graffiti... it just a messy distraction...

[carolina-chuck]

Present me some facts that support your love for Luck, and we can have a conversation. So far, all you've done is make illogical comparisons, and lauded a single performance in a single preseason game against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Till you want to bring something relevant, logical, and factual to the table, yes, you might as well be talking to a wall. Because a factless opinion is like writing graffiti... it just a messy distraction...

No bc I dnt want to talk to someone whos constantly is changing their words and doesn't knoe their facts.

You had me already that you doesn't knoe anything about football when you said Calvin played behind Roy and Larry played behind Boldin. You think I can take you serious after you made up some more bullshitt that you didn't know but assume.

I must've been watching the wrong games in the past bc I swear I clearly thought I saw Calvin playing along side Roy and Larry playing along Boldin just like Julio played last year along Roddy. Green didn't have a legit no.1 to take the pressure off him and he constantly put up some good numbers against a division that includes the Ravens and Steelers.

I was watching the Senior Bowl game and guess what. Luck didn't even play in the Senior Bowl game idiot. To answer your Luck couldn't win his Senior Bowl game statement. IDIOT

You proved to me that your football IQ is really low and is only assuming basing nothing on facts.

[j2sgam]

What were their predictions about Cam after his 1st preseason game? Howd that work out for them?

[Nine_Lives]

Look people its real easy. Judge What Luck does in the pocket (or out) BEFORE the ball leaves his hand. Thats all you need to do. Does he look the part??? Yes he fuging does.

[blackcatgrowl]

No bc I dnt want to talk to someone whos constantly is changing their words and doesn't knoe their facts.

Its "know" by the way.

And what is "changing my words" supposed to mean? The problem is clearly one on your end of the post/read diametric.

You had me already that you doesn't knoe anything about football when you said Calvin played behind Roy and Larry played behind Boldin. You think I can take you serious after you made up some more bullshitt that you didn't know but assume.

I'm not assuming anything. These are fuging facts you dolt.

http://en.wikipedia....it_Lions_season

http://en.wikipedia....)#Detroit_Lions

Roy Williams had a productive year for the 2006 Lions, having 1,310 yards and 7 touchdowns

2006 set Williams up as the #1 receiver for the Lions in 2007 when they drafted Johnson. He had more receptions (64), more yardage (838) than Johnson did in 2007, then was traded to the Cowboys in 2008, when Johnson was a 2nd year vet.

Almost the same situation applied to Boldin/Fitzgerald in 2004, except Boldin was deactivated for the first six games of the season due to a slightly torn meniscus in his right knee, so Fitzgerald had a chance to play.

I must've been watching the wrong games in the past bc I swear I clearly thought I saw Calvin playing along side Roy and Larry playing along Boldin just like Julio played last year along Roddy. Green didn't have a legit no.1 to take the pressure off him and he constantly put up some good numbers against a division that includes the Ravens and Steelers.

If you were watching Boldin and Fitzgerald playing along side each other in 2004, you weren't watching the first 6 games.

Chance are, you've only watched them play in ESPN highlights and don't know anything about either player's career.

And just like White/Jones... Boldin/Fitz and Williams/Johnson, the vet is the #1 receiver. Meaning most plays are designed to go to them. Meaning the rookies were playing behind them. Do you know anything about football?

I was watching the Senior Bowl game and guess what. Luck didn't even play in the Senior Bowl game idiot. To answer your Luck couldn't win his Senior Bowl game statement. IDIOT

Pay attention and READ what the hell people post.

I've already said I was talking about the 2012 Fiesta Bowl. Which Luck played in.. and which Stanford lost.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1181273.html

Andrew Luck Loses Fiesta Bowl In Last Stanford Game Before NFL Draft

I wasn't talking about the Senior Bowl. I was talking about his last bowl game as a Senior. FFS...

You proved to me that your football IQ is really low and is only assuming basing nothing on facts.

And you've proven to me you have the reading comprehension skills of a 4th grader.

[whatever]

have to agree with the poster that said that this thread is dildos.