2014 NFL MOCK OFF-SEASON: CAROLINA-CHUCK

[MHS831]

I could live with this, however,, I think there could be some overkill at CB and WR--I love Lee, Hurst, and I have some interest in a few of your other picks.  Joyner is Captain 2.0 if you ask me, and I think we might need a bigger CB--However, Joyner is a baller and can play S.

 

I see where you have us franchising Hardy.  To me, that means we will have trouble signing and combination of Mitchell, Gross, and Ginn.  Gettlemen is a majic man, but we are about to hit 2 years of dead money that we cannot avoid.

 

If we franchise Hardy, the money is not going to appear in 2015 when Cam's deal is escalating.  Therefore, I like the idea but we need to start grooming is replacement now. I do not see how we franchise Hardy, despite his pro bowl, However, I am certain that we cannot keep 2 DEs on second contracts--we are talking about 20% of the cap on 2 players and 13% of the cap on the QB.  A third of the cap on 3 players, and that is not including a premiere CB, LT or #1 WR?  Scary.

[poorboysrev]

I could live with this, however,, I think there could be some overkill at CB and WR--I love Lee, Hurst, and I have some interest in a few of your other picks.  Joyner is Captain 2.0 if you ask me, and I think we might need a bigger CB--However, Joyner is a baller and can play S.

 

I see where you have us franchising Hardy.  To me, that means we will have trouble signing and combination of Mitchell, Gross, and Ginn.  Gettlemen is a majic man, but we are about to hit 2 years of dead money that we cannot avoid.

 

If we franchise Hardy, the money is not going to appear in 2015 when Cam's deal is escalating.  Therefore, I like the idea but we need to start grooming is replacement now. I do not see how we franchise Hardy, despite his pro bowl, However, I am certain that we cannot keep 2 DEs on second contracts--we are talking about 20% of the cap on 2 players and 13% of the cap on the QB.  A third of the cap on 3 players, and that is not including a premiere CB, LT or #1 WR?  Scary.

Agree 100%. There is no way to afford it. Being afraid to let good players walk is what put us in this cap hell to begin with. Hardy took what 3 years to become the player he is now? And that only happened with opportunity.  For all we know Alexander or one of the other young guys will breakout the minute they get the starter reps. Paying both Hardy and CJ that type of money would cripple the team worse than the Dwill/Stew contracts(waaay more money tied up). Hurney gave out contracts like a fan would and it almost buried this team, I am glad Gettleman isn't scared to make the tough call.

[MHS831]

Agree 100%. There is no way to afford it. Being afraid to let good players walk is what put us in this cap hell to begin with. Hardy took what 3 years to become the player he is now? And that only happened with opportunity.  For all we know Alexander or one of the other young guys will breakout the minute they get the starter reps. Paying both Hardy and CJ that type of money would cripple the team worse than the Dwill/Stew contracts(waaay more money tied up). Hurney gave out contracts like a fan would and it almost buried this team, I am glad Gettleman isn't scared to make the tough call.

 

Amen.  Hurney drafted some good players, but lost his butt when trying to manuever in the draft.  It was almost as if he was trying to validate his picks by making them rich. I have to think Beason, Godfrey, Delhomme, Kalil, Johnson, Stewart, DWilliams, Wharton (earlier) would have signed for much less than they actually got.

 

Both our coach and Gettlemen were passed over so many times, both figured they may never get a job. How ironic.  In my opinion, they are hungry to prove what they can do.  Once Gettlemen gets out from under Hurney crap heap, he will be pretty awesome.  THe thing I like about Gettlemen is your last comment--he is not afraid to make the tough call and we all trust his decisions, even when they are not what we wanted.

[poorboysrev]

Amen.  Hurney drafted some good players, but lost his butt when trying to manuever in the draft.  It was almost as if he was trying to validate his picks by making them rich. I have to think Beason, Godfrey, Delhomme, Kalil, Johnson, Stewart, DWilliams, Wharton (earlier) would have signed for much less than they actually got.

 

Both our coach and Gettlemen were passed over so many times, both figured they may never get a job. How ironic.  In my opinion, they are hungry to prove what they can do.  Once Gettlemen gets out from under Hurney crap heap, he will be pretty awesome.  THe thing I like about Gettlemen is your last comment--he is not afraid to make the tough call and we all trust his decisions, even when they are not what we wanted.

     Yeah Hurney's favorite mantra was "we are returning 21 of 22 starters." Hurney would lock up players before they got a chance to test FA, Gettleman let several of ours(Captain, Dwan, etc) walk when they didn't like what we could pay them and I think all of them came back. I also liked his statement that every team has let a big dog walk. I just think that sums up why I like him so much. We've let the players have the hand, your teams that are always challenging don't do that.

    Like you said I cannot wait to see what he can do once the cap is straightened out. I think we may have gotten one of the best talent evaluators in the league, look at how many holes he filled with no names. Just wait until he doesn't have to just go after the no-names.

[carolina-chuck]

I could live with this, however,, I think there could be some overkill at CB and WR--I love Lee, Hurst, and I have some interest in a few of your other picks. Joyner is Captain 2.0 if you ask me, and I think we might need a bigger CB--However, Joyner is a baller and can play S.

I see where you have us franchising Hardy. To me, that means we will have trouble signing and combination of Mitchell, Gross, and Ginn. Gettlemen is a majic man, but we are about to hit 2 years of dead money that we cannot avoid.

If we franchise Hardy, the money is not going to appear in 2015 when Cam's deal is escalating. Therefore, I like the idea but we need to start grooming is replacement now. I do not see how we franchise Hardy, despite his pro bowl, However, I am certain that we cannot keep 2 DEs on second contracts--we are talking about 20% of the cap on 2 players and 13% of the cap on the QB. A third of the cap on 3 players, and that is not including a premiere CB, LT or #1 WR? Scary.

Agree on your take.

Only problem is I have Joyner as a Safety, not cb. And, I cant agree with you that Joyner is Capt 2.0. Size, sure. Playmaker, no. Joyner is twice the man Captain is.

[MHS831]

Agree on your take.

Only problem is I have Joyner as a Safety, not cb. And, I cant agree with you that Joyner is Capt 2.0. Size, sure. Playmaker, no. Joyner is twice the man Captain is.

 

Fair enough. I like Joyner better as a S. I figured he would be like CM as a CB.  Thanks for sharing this--always interesting to see how others are thinking.