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Not sure if "benefit" is the right word, it just means we might have one more lottery ticket we can scratch off and end up empty-handed with.

Because in the draft, and really just team management as a whole, we're like the degenerate gambler who will usually give up his good assets (Wallace, Jackson) for next to nothing so we can gamble more, then when we come up snake eyes it's "Well, I didn't really need that anyway."

You're awfully generous with that term. Maybe if one of them was scoring double digits or shooting 40% this year I could see it

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You're awfully generous with that term. Maybe if one of them was scoring double digits or shooting 40% this year I could see it

Let's take a look, shall we?

Wallace trade:

Bobcats give up Wallace, who was averaging 15.6 points and 8.2 rebounds per game and was 28, one year removed from being an All-Star.

Bobcats gain Joel Przybilla, Sean Marks, Dante Cunningham and 2 1st-round picks. Przybilla/Marks/Cunningham contributed about 4 points a game to the cause before they were let go.

Unless Charlotte hits on a pick, which it has done a whopping 2 times in team history, that trade was garbage. Also, Wallace's numbers are down because he's not being utilized as he was here.

Jackson trade:

Bobcats give up Livingston, a decent PG, Jackson, who was averaging 18.5 points per game, and the 19th pick, for Bismack Biyombo and Corey Maggette.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

OK, now that I've stopped laughing, that wasn't the best trade ever, either. Maggette was flipped into Ben Gordon and a first however, so the jury's still out on it. But looking at the fact we've won 21 games in 2 years and the Heat have won 22 of their last 22, perhaps it's safe to say the team would be better.

At any rate, I just don't buy into the "Suddenly, something's gonna click and Charlotte will be a top 4-5 team in the East!" theory. I don't think it's gonna happen. Personally, compared to the failure we've been experiencing, a 7-8 seed in the playoffs would be Heaven. Though I'm happy we've been able to at least snag and develop Kemba.

I spent too much time on this response. Feel free to beef with me, it'd give me a reason to believe it was worth the time :D

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I spent too much time on this response. Feel free to beef with me, it'd give me a reason to believe it was worth the time :D

Sure, why not.

Your idea is to keep Wallace and Jackson, keep going for the 8th seed and settle for picks in the 9-15 range? Of course, that would have meant drafting too late to take MKG (and maybe Kemba). So now you have a team built around Stephen Jackson in his mid 30s, and a 30 year old Gerald Wallace who still cant shoot and doesnt have the athleticism to compensate anymore.

Frankly, they were traded at the right time (though Portland got more trading Wallace to Brooklyn, but that was a terrible trade by the Nets so you cant really expect that), the problem is obviously the draft picks.

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i agree on both ends..

the time of the trades was right for the players- not for the team..

this team needed to win games and has needed to win games to establish more of a fanbase.. keep butts in the seats

however the players were basically at the end of the peak of their game. We cashed in on them at the highest point. I think we needed to make the trades but i dont think the "Plan" has worked to perfection like we would all have liked..

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We're not even two years into the rebuild and people are already saying that it's doomed? We cashed in on those assets at the perfect time. Got rid of their contracts and added draft picks. And nobody saying it is just going to click. We are bad on purpose. To add more core players through the draft. Right now we have Kemba, MKG, and possibly Biz (WAAAAAY to early to tell on him. Everyone knew he was going to be a long term project).

At this point in OKC's rebuild, Kevin Durant was looking like Kevin Durant, but neither Westbrook or Ibaka looked all that special. Obviously, we don't have Durant (and will never have a Durant), but our core is not looking too shabby either. Kemba is really looking good, MKG is looking very promising, and Biz still has a long way to go (which was expected) but has the tools to get there. At the end of the second year of their rebuild, OKC had won 23 games.

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I think some of you guys are too patient. We shouldn't have to wait 5-7 years to win 30 or 35 games. It is also not too way early to judge Biyombo. He's about to finish his 2nd year in the league. People wanted Adam Morrison's head on a stick after 6 months, was that because he was supposed to be "NBA-ready?" lol

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I think some of you guys are too patient. We shouldn't have to wait 5-7 years to win 30 or 35 games. It is also not too way early to judge Biyombo. He's about to finish his 2nd year in the league. People wanted Adam Morrison's head on a stick after 6 months, was that because he was supposed to be "NBA-ready?" lol

We have sucked for almost 2 years now, not 5-7 (well, sucked intentionally that is), I would hardly call that too patient. And the goal is not to win 30-35 games, its to win 50 games and go somewhere in the playoffs

And no, 2 years is not enough to judge a young big man prospect. Look at Jermaine Oneal- he sucked for his first 4 years in the NBA before he became an all star. Not that I think Bismack will do that, because he looks awful, but there is still a chance that he figures out how to be a useful player

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We have sucked for almost 2 years now, not 5-7 (well, sucked intentionally that is), I would hardly call that too patient. And the goal is not to win 30-35 games, its to win 50 games and go somewhere in the playoffs

And no, 2 years is not enough to judge a young big man prospect. Look at Jermaine Oneal- he sucked for his first 4 years in the NBA before he became an all star. Not that I think Bismack will do that, because he looks awful, but there is still a chance that he figures out how to be a useful player

I saw more promise from O'Neal after a year than I have after 2 years of Biyombo.

Back to the strategy, if the team keeps giving up its few assets, getting draft picks and picking busts, this strategy isn't going to work. You have to hit on guys now. No more "he's a project" type of picks from here on out.

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I saw more promise from O'Neal after a year than I have after 2 years of Biyombo.

Back to the strategy, if the team keeps giving up its few assets, getting draft picks and picking busts, this strategy isn't going to work. You have to hit on guys now. No more "he's a project" type of picks from here on out.

So you want to build a contending team from scratch without making draft picks? Not sure that has been tried yet, so I wont say its impossible.

I'm guessing you want to trade the 1st round pick this year for some overpaid veteran (a la the J-Rich trade a few years back). Who are you looking for, exactly?

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So you want to build a contending team from scratch without making draft picks? Not sure that has been tried yet, so I wont say its impossible.

I'm guessing you want to trade the 1st round pick this year for some overpaid veteran (a la the J-Rich trade a few years back). Who are you looking for, exactly?

LeBron! I'm kidding.

I don't think the Bobcats should trade their first-rounder this year, but they need to get some more talent via free agency and shore up some of the talent they do have.

We have two top-tier pro teams in Charlotte (well, and the Hounds) and their strategies are markedly different.

Panthers: Keep everyone, spend money to hold onto your guys, do next to nothing in FA

Bobcats: Let mostly everyone go, acquire draft picks, build some up, let them go too, do little in FA

Gotta get an infusion of talent STAT. I'd like to see the team finish in the top 20 in attendance sometime, not to mention get back in the playoffs.

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