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London Soldier Hacked to Death in Broad Daylight

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Looking at all the hate and bigotry in the world, I will say no unfortunately.

 

yes if only people could be more like dawkins, hitchens, or harris, there would be no hate or bigo-...hahaha i can't even finish this bullshit

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mix equal parts nationalism, historical aggression, proliferation of world economic systems, and robust hegemony, shake vigourously, and strain over ice. the perfect cocktail for terrorism.

 

it's so blindingly obvious that the reactionaries are sure to miss it. here, let me check the rest of the thread and...

 

yep, islamic extremists are animals and terrorism wouldn't exist if we could somehow get rid of religion

 

e:

 

from another forum:

 

apparently the soldier had been a machine gunner in afghanistan, so this operation appears to have been a precise, surgical strike with a minimum of collateral damage that managed to eliminate a dangerous militant.

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I had typed out a thread about the friend of Tamerlan Tsarnaev being shot and killed by an FBI agent during an interview reeking of bullshit. I ended up getting pulled away from the computer before I could get it the way I wanted and ended up just navigating away.

I had similar thoughts when this story came out.

 

I would kind of put this up there on a level with the Miami zombie face-eater dude, or the guy that beheaded and started eating someone on the bus... It isn't even something that I want to begin tackling a "conspiracy" angle on because it is such a disgusting incident.

 

Yeah, did you see how two of the FBI agents that were members of the elite terrorism response task force in charge of the arrest of Tamerlan, both died by falling from a helicopter off the coast of Virginia about two days ago?

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yes if only people could be more like dawkins, hitchens, or harris, there would be no hate or bigo-...hahaha i can't even finish this bullshit

 

 

National and legal subjugating minorities, ethnicity, genders, sexual orientations, or religion has been done by how many atheist democracies?

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btw, brits disagree that it was 20 minutes before officers responded.

 

It was probably 20 minutes until armed police responded. Remember, our police officers don't carry guns. I don't know the full details, but I suspect police officers were on scene earlier, but weren't equipped to arrest two armed suspects (one of them had a revolver).

 

As for the rest of Floppin's statement - these guys weren't running around slashing everyone.

 

They murdered the soldier then acted calmly waiting for the police to arrive. This wasn't a random act of violence. This was a statement. A targeted attack against a serving British soldier. The publicity they're receiving now is exactly what they wanted. 

 

Several ladies approached them - one of whom, the "fat chick", went over to see what she could do for the dead man. Her daughter spoke to the other murderer.

 

The third lady spoke to the man who was filmed, asking him why he did it. He was rational. Yes he was covered in blood and wielding a cleaver, but he wasn't threatening her. 

 

Basically those three ladies showed tremendous courage. 

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National and legal subjugating minorities, ethnicity, genders, sexual orientations, or religion has been done by how many atheist democracies?

 

all of those things have been done by secular governments

 

not to mention the new atheist movement is quite fond of subjugating the middle east through calls for intervention and wars of aggression. i guess the only moral war is their war

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You aren't really that obtuse are you?

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which part of that post do you dispute

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Clearly, you are that obtuse.

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Abu Nusaybah told BBC Newsnight his friend - one of two men arrested after Drummer Lee Rigby's murder in south-east London on Wednesday - had rejected the approach from the security service.

The BBC could not obtain any confirmation from Whitehall sources.

Abu Nusaybah was arrested at the BBC after giving the interview.

Newsnight reporter Richard Watson said after the interview had concluded he left the studio to find officers from the Metropolitan Police counter terrorism unit waiting to arrest Abu Nusaybah.

The Met confirmed a 31-year-old man had been arrested at 21:30 BST on Friday in relation to suspected terrorism offences and search warrants were being executed at two homes in east London.

The arrest was not directly related to the murder of Drummer Rigby, it said.

The soldier was killed in front of dozens of people near Woolwich Barracks, where he was based, on Wednesday afternoon.

Mr Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, who was also arrested at the scene, remain in hospital after being shot by police.

'Bugging me'

In his Newsnight interview, Abu Nusaybah said he thought "a change" had taken place in his friend after a trip to Kenya last year.

He said Mr Adebolajo had told him he travelled there "to study", but instead, was part of a group rounded up by "Kenyan troops" and interrogated in a prison cell.

During his detention he said he was "beaten quite badly", Abu Nusaybah said, and in his opinion, his friend had also been subjected to sexual abuse, although he was too "ashamed" to say exactly what happened.

He also said Mr Adebolajo was "stopped" upon his return to the UK from Kenya and was later "followed up by MI5" who were "knocking on his door".After this, he became withdrawn "and less talkative - he wasn't his bubbly self", Abu Nusaybah said, adding: "His mind was somewhere else."

He was "basically being harassed", Abu Nusaybah said.

He added: "His wording was, 'They are bugging me - they won't leave me alone.'

"Initially they wanted to ask him if he knew certain individuals.

"But after him saying that he didn't know these individuals, what he said was they asked him if he would be interested in working for them.

"He was explicit in that he refused to work for them but he did confirm he didn't know the individuals."

Reporter Richard Watson said that, in general terms, it was not out of the ordinary for the security service to approach people for information or even to act as covert sources.

Mr Adebolajo, 28, originally from Romford, east London, and fellow suspect Michael Adebowale, 22, of Greenwich, south-east London, had been known to MI5 for eight years, Whitehall sources told the BBC on Thursday.

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

 

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Clearly, you are that obtuse.

 

this is rich coming from the rathiest who unironically attributed "all the hate and bigotry in the world" to religion

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this is rich coming from the rathiest who unironically attributed "all the hate and bigotry in the world" to religion

 

It's killing you that I won't play.

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