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Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?

Mar 27 2012 07:01 AM jtnc Carolina Panthers
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LeSean McCoy and Jones-Drew both posted 58 total missed tackles forced and Seattle’s Marshawn Lynch was only one behind with 57, but perhaps the most impressive mark was from Jonathan Stewart of the Panthers. Stewart only carried the ball 142 times (less than half of the carries of some of the players ahead of him, but he forced 32 missed tackles as a runner and added another 20 on his receptions for a total of 52. The Panthers have brought in Mike Tolbert in free agency this year to potentially replace Stewart if they can’t lock him down long-term, but they may not fully appreciate exactly how capable he is of making plays independent of the blocking in front of him. If Stewart makes it to the open market next offseason, he may not be in line for big money given the way running backs are viewed in today’s league, but he will make a huge impact wherever he ends up.


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Don't trade him. :(

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Good news for us.

Good job Hurney for trying to cover for us incase Stewy wants to leave.

Hurney knows stats like this because I guarendamntee that Stew's agent has been made aware of his value.
He will be the best running back free agent on the market next year and we will get nothing for him. Unless the plan is to resign him and let Deangelo walk then he needs to be traded for a high 2nd round pick or a low 1st rounder. I really wouldn't be surprised if Denver decides to go for broke and trades us their 1st round pick so they can get a running game in there for Peyton. It would be the best possible decision for them IMO with two bookend offensive tackles, a really talented receiver, and a great top to bottom defense. The only thing they are lacking is a great running game....Stewart would give them that.

Take Coples and DeCastro in the first round with those two picks...game over.
I would take a 1st or 2nd in a heart beat.

We can not b/c over attached to our players.

Wish Hurney would learn that.

I would take a 1st or 2nd in a heart beat.

We can not b/c over attached to our players.

Wish Hurney would learn that.


Me too.

That is how you build teams.

But, I don't see us trading him.

I think we let the season play out, and make him an offer.

I hate to say it, Stew might have a serious injury this season, and that would have us locked up in a another long term deal on a position that has been devalued.

Me too.

That is how you build teams.

But, I don't see us trading him.

I think we let the season play out, and make him an offer.

I hate to say it, Stew might have a serious injury this season, and that would have us locked up in a another long term deal on a position that has been devalued.


I would LOVE to keep Stew. hell, I would drop DWill in a heartbeat to keep him. However, DWill's contract is a done deal. The cap hit is too extreme to cut or trade him. In addition, I just don't see how we can invest that much Cap Space into teh RB position and be able to invest in other areas of the team.

Like it or not, this situation was pretty much decided the day that DWill signed.
hurney will lock him down. its not about being emotionally invested in this case, its about locking down a 25-year-old human bowling ball.

hurney will lock him down. its not about being emotionally invested in this case, its about locking down a 25-year-old human bowling ball.


I think investing over $16m per year in Cap Space to the RB position will be EXRTREMELY difficult for this team to do. But, I have no idea what their plan is.

Still think he is traded before draft day, but I am wrong at least 50% of the time.

I would LOVE to keep Stew. hell, I woudl drop DWill in a heartbeat to keep him. However, DWill's contract is a done deal. The cap hit is too extreme to cut or trade him. In addition, I just don't see how we can invest that much Cap Space into teh RB position and be able to invest in other areas of the team.

Like it or not, this situation was pretty much decided the day that DWill signed.


Yeah, that would be a lot of cap space. But, I get we are assuming Hurney and Rivera's plans are aligned with the rest of the league, as far as passing and devaluing the RB position.

I am not saying that its right or wrong, but it seems to be that the we are trying to transcend the league with Cam and a new style offense.

Maybe this is what they are thinking, but maybe Stew gets traded on draft day, or maybe he walks.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Stewart always ranks at the top of their yearly elusive ranks. Just continuing what he has always done

hurney will lock him down. its not about being emotionally invested in this case, its about locking down a 25-year-old human bowling ball.


Can't spend that money in the backfield. Too much. Hurts ability to build the rest of your roster. Don't forget they will be looking to pay Cam likely the next year as well.....

Yeah, that would be a lot of cap space. But, I get we are assuming Hurney and Rivera's plans are aligned with the rest of the league, as far as passing and devaluing the RB position.

I am not saying that its right or wrong, but it seems to be that the we are trying to transcend the league with Cam and a new style offense.

Maybe this is what they are thinking, but maybe Stew gets traded on draft day, or maybe he walks.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.


I see your point, but even if Tolbert was not on the roster, Hatter is right--$16 million-That is $1 million per game--for 20 carries? That means every time Stew or DWill run the ball, they are paid $50,000. That comes to $10,000 per yard gained during a good year.

People on here (not you) think they can have everything. They fail to consider the fact that keeping 3 RBs at nearly $20 million takes away from other positions. You gotta spread the wealth.

Can't spend that money in the backfield. Too much. Hurts ability to build the rest of your roster. Don't forget they will be looking to pay Cam likely the next year as well.....


Nope.
Year 4
If Stewart is not here it won't be because Hurney didn't try and sign him, it will because Stewart wants to go elsewhere. It is Stewart who is supposedly not negotiating. Tolbert was brought in because Stewart wouldn't negotiate from what I can tell. Could we keep both of them? I think so. Williams will count around 8 million cap space next year (4.75 million salary). Stewart will count his prorated signing bonus next year and a nominal salary which is very typical the first year of a contract. If it was like William's contract he will cost 3.2 million in prorated signing bonus and likely 1.5 million in salary. His will be backloaded while WIlliams was somewhat front loaded. So between them it will likely be roughly 13 million. With Tolbert it will be 15 million. How is that much different than this year where Williams costs 8.5 million cap space, Stewart is 2.6 million and Tolbert is 2 million? So we can afford 13 million this year but can't afford 15 million next year??

The reality is that if we can't afford them next year, we can't afford them this year. I think we can afford them this year and can do so again next year. With the increased cap space in 2014 and likelihood that Wiliams will be done in a few years, it makes keeping Stewart both very doable but desirable. If he isn't here it will be by his own making not Hurney's.
Carolina has given new deals to a lot of there talent before entering that last year....why would they break that strategy with Cam?

Let his rookie deal run its course and they pay more
It seems to me that building the OL is smarter than piling 18% of the cap room into RB. If you took DWill's salary, for instance, and brought in 2 stud guards at $3.5 million per year each, an average back could parallel DWill's yardage. In addition, the passing game is made better.

Having 2 stud RBs is Foxball.

If Stewart is not here it won't be because Hurney didn't try and sign him, it will because Stewart wants to go elsewhere. It is Stewart who is supposedly not negotiating. Tolbert was brought in because Stewart wouldn't negotiate from what I can tell. Could we keep both of them? I think so. Williams will count around 8 million cap space next year (4.75 million salary). Stewart will count his prorated signing bonus next year and a nominal salary which is very typical the first year of a contract. If it was like William's contract he will cost 3.2 million in prorated signing bonus and likely 1.5 million in salary. His will be backloaded while WIlliams was somewhat front loaded. So between them it will likely be roughly 13 million. With Tolbert it will be 15 million. How is that much different than this year where Williams costs 8.5 million cap space, Stewart is 2.6 million and Tolbert is 2 million? So we can afford 13 million this year but can't afford 15 million next year??

The reality is that if we can't afford them next year, we can't afford them this year. I think we can afford them this year and can do so again next year. With the increased cap space in 2014 and likelihood that Wiliams will be done in a few years, it makes keeping Stewart both very doable but desirable. If he isn't here it will be by his own making not Hurney's.


15 mil for the NFL's best backfield? i'll take it
We need to get this guy re-signed... nothing against Tolbert, but Stew is on a whole different level.

If Stewart is not here it won't be because Hurney didn't try and sign him, it will because Stewart wants to go elsewhere. It is Stewart who is supposedly not negotiating. Tolbert was brought in because Stewart wouldn't negotiate from what I can tell. Could we keep both of them? I think so. Williams will count around 8 million cap space next year (4.75 million salary). Stewart will count his prorated signing bonus next year and a nominal salary which is very typical the first year of a contract. If it was like William's contract he will cost 3.2 million in prorated signing bonus and likely 1.5 million in salary. His will be backloaded while WIlliams was somewhat front loaded. So between them it will likely be roughly 13 million. With Tolbert it will be 15 million. How is that much different than this year where Williams costs 8.5 million cap space, Stewart is 2.6 million and Tolbert is 2 million? So we can afford 13 million this year but can't afford 15 million next year??

The reality is that if we can't afford them next year, we can't afford them this year. I think we can afford them this year and can do so again next year. With the increased cap space in 2014 and likelihood that Wiliams will be done in a few years, it makes keeping Stewart both very doable but desirable. If he isn't here it will be by his own making not Hurney's.


Stewart will play here if we pay him....if he doesn't play here it won't be bc he doesn't want to....it will be bc we don't pay him what he thinks he deserves.

Stewart shouldn't negotiate now. If he doesn't play here it will be bc of Hurneys deal with Williams and the fact Carolina can't dump the cash Stewart deserves into someone who accounts for 20-30% of our ground production.
Maybe Hurney and Rivera are trying to stay ahead of the curb ( no pun intended), in regards to the NFL zeitgeist. Instead of trying to catch up.

If it is their plan, its risky, but we could be trying to take advantage of smaller and quicker defenses.

This is all speculation, but I am just trying to rationalize.

I would LOVE to keep Stew. hell, I would drop DWill in a heartbeat to keep him. However, DWill's contract is a done deal. The cap hit is too extreme to cut or trade him. In addition, I just don't see how we can invest that much Cap Space into teh RB position and be able to invest in other areas of the team.

Like it or not, this situation was pretty much decided the day that DWill signed.

I agree ...we made our choice when we signed DWILL to that enormous contract.I guess the question is could we have paid Dwill in a manner to keep both? and the 2nd question should we have let Dwill go and kept the younger Stewart?

Can't spend that money in the backfield. Too much. Hurts ability to build the rest of your roster. Don't forget they will be looking to pay Cam likely the next year as well.....


Cam is signed through 2014 with an option year already built in 2015. There is absolutely no reason to worry about extending him before 2014 at the earliest. We only have to worry about 2013 and as I just showed a few posts ago, the increase next year to keep Stewart will likely be around 2 million dollars. Not the king's ransom some of you suggest or that much more than we are spendiing this year. With the cap space likely to go up by 20-30 million in 2014, there is not a huge crisis here.

If Stewart is not here it won't be because Hurney didn't try and sign him, it will because Stewart wants to go elsewhere. It is Stewart who is supposedly not negotiating. Tolbert was brought in because Stewart wouldn't negotiate from what I can tell. Could we keep both of them? I think so. Williams will count around 8 million cap space next year (4.75 million salary). Stewart will count his prorated signing bonus next year and a nominal salary which is very typical the first year of a contract. If it was like William's contract he will cost 3.2 million in prorated signing bonus and likely 1.5 million in salary. His will be backloaded while WIlliams was somewhat front loaded. So between them it will likely be roughly 13 million. With Tolbert it will be 15 million. How is that much different than this year where Williams costs 8.5 million cap space, Stewart is 2.6 million and Tolbert is 2 million? So we can afford 13 million this year but can't afford 15 million next year??

The reality is that if we can't afford them next year, we can't afford them this year. I think we can afford them this year and can do so again next year. With the increased cap space in 2014 and likelihood that Wiliams will be done in a few years, it makes keeping Stewart both very doable but desirable. If he isn't here it will be by his own making not Hurney's.


Good info. However, I do not see us, in this offense, affording even $13 million. If you base all other logic on the assumption that $13 million is affordable, then your argument is logical.

I am guessing that $13 million is roughly 1/8 of the entire cap. We have 21 other starting positions. We have huge needs elsewhere.

I liken it to lunch money. If I have $20 and five children going to school, this is like giving $10 to one child and expecting the other 4 to split the rest. Gotta feed the entire family.

I see your point, but even if Tolbert was not on the roster, Hatter is right--$16 million-That is $1 million per game--for 20 carries? That means every time Stew or DWill run the ball, they are paid $50,000. That comes to $10,000 per yard gained during a good year.

People on here (not you) think they can have everything. They fail to consider the fact that keeping 3 RBs at nearly $20 million takes away from other positions. You gotta spread the wealth.


20 million is way overstated. we will spend 13 million this year and likely 15 million next year assuming we keep all three. If we can't afford them next year, we can't afford them this year either,
Kudos to this thread so far for having rational, polite discussion without calling anyone retarded.

*Cue someone to call me a retard*
Tolbert plays into our passing scheme....not a sign we are trying to run over small defenses. Tolbert is a great blocker and reciever....and will lessen the blow if Stewart walks. Williams fits more of a Fox ground and pound. So losing Stewart hurts....really hurts without someone like Tolbert to take some of his reps.