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Jones seems like the classic million dollar talent attached to a ten cent dome. Very Sam Darnold-esque. The talent is all there, the neurons are just not firing correctly to get all that talent into producing at an elite level. It happens all the time. Justin Fields is another great example of that.

I mean, yes, there is a difference between looking at a box score and watching film. But PFF has a big subjective aspect to some of their grades. That's how you get a 2/4 being better than 3/5 with a TD. You aren't using stats at that point or factual events, but subjective analysis of plays. And it's not like it is the same subjective analysis applying across all the players. Same guy grading BY's incompletions (which are putting him over the top) isn't grading everyone else's incompletions and completions. So it's different subjective takes/viewpoints applied. There is no way everyone at PFF views grading out a play the same. Then it all dumps into the same spreadsheet. Hit the sort button. Sometimes I feel it gets really weird and and collective data starts saying some weird stuff that just isn't true.

Yeah, Sanders had a very nice debut preseason performance but the folks acting like he's arrived based on that performance are getting way out ahead of themselves.

I won't be surprised if Graham disappoints. Maybe not outright bust but never lives up to his draft status. The more I watched him at Michigan the more I came away impressed by the other Michigan DT. I think he might be the real player. Usually when you have two high level prospects in the same college unit one of them ends up getting fraud checked in the NFL as being largely carried by the other guy. Peppers and Ryan Sims at UNC comes to mind. Lavar Arrington and Courtney Brown at Penn State, etc.

"starters" without Horn, DB, or Robinson

Why are you so focused on a Browns QB anyways? You've spent weeks badmouthing our rookie WR who had yet to play a down in an NFL game then when he finally did and looked good you went completely silent. Odd.

3/7 for 26 yards against the starters

You of all people talking about someone else glazing a young QB based on a small sample size.

Jones is not a good QB and a turnover machine but he has made some franchise QB level throws. I've seen some nice throws from Bryce but to pretend like he is head and shoulders a more capable passer than Daniel Jones is not rooted in reality currently. Let's talk turkey not fantasy. Look at Jones completion percentage in his best year. 67%. Bryce is barely 60%. And let's keep this in perspective. Jones has something neither of our top 2 QB's here have. That's a playoff win. I would have to disagree. Is it even possible to underrate someone when they go from amongst the worst of the worst to fringe top 20? I think most people see this for what it is. Bryce has some things he does very well. He's finally displaying the movement in and around the pocket that he showed in college. He has a nice ball in certain scenarios but there are still throws that defenses are waiting to see him make on a consistent basis. That's where the story will change.

I don't think Howell is fixable. He's just a Winston/Favre-esque gunslinger. It's not often those guys really change that. He has a decent ceiling, Baker Mayfield. That's basically the limit of his level of gunslinger and I don't think he can achieve that. He was just born in the wrong era(feel the same about Winston).

Sounds like you need to go work for a new company if this type of humor isn't appreciated.

When looking at the film instead of just the box scores like was done in here once or twice, it was clear why he was rated higher.

There is ample blame for all of this to go around but Tepper has a real short leash on head coaches and year two of significantly under .500 ball isn't gonna go well, IMO. Now, if I am in Tepper's shoes, I would already be looking past this year. Anything close to .500 is absolutely spectacular. Gotta let someone eventually have the opportunity to attempt to build.

Yeah it's why Howell is on his 3rd team in 3 years. He can play QB and he can sling the ball. He just has to limit turnovers. If there is a coach who can team his this it's O'Connell though. Look what he did with Darnold who has very similar issues.

I thought Shedeur looked better than expected and hope he takes the QB1 spot in Cleveland... ...but man, the amount of glazing he is getting for scoring on 2 of 6 drives (one of them starting from the Carolina 10) against what was a historically bad defense is a bit goofy.

PFF is the weirdest good bad thing out there. I mean, they will make these statements about player X was the best week 1 at doing Y. But I swear it often makes no sense how they actually get to some of their statements/conclusions. Feels like everyone on their team is using different standards (subjective takes) and you end up with things that make little sense when you bring it all together. Like even some of the hot takes of Bryce was the best deep passer in week whatever. Ok, but then you look around that week and it makes no sense how they get to that statement. Bryce might be 2/4. Meanwhile someone else goes 3/5 with a bomb touchdown and they deem that worse.

I get the skepticism, but my point was if there were concerns about true physical limitations of arm strength it should have been put to rest. He was literally making passes some fans thought he wasn't physically capable of. I think we as fans naturally want to compare him to Cam and that's always going to fall short (pun intended). Cam's strengths will never be Bryce's strengths. You have to think of Bryce in a different light. I still think his ceiling is a short Joe Burrow (who is one of the more cerebral QBs in the league). Pocket presence with progression through his reads is where you want to see Bryce shine. To the average looking gentleman comment, if you saw Brees on the streets you wouldn't be impressed either, the Mannings and Brady are just taller but nothing physically imposing, Mahomes is 6'2" and rocking the "dad bod." I think that is just us Panthers fans being so use to Cam being such a physically dominating presence.

If the team comes out and the defense is consistently losing games, then yea it's probably best to move on. But, like Bryce, when looking at the situations they were in it's really hard to just make him the scapegoat before the season starts.

He struggled against starters? He got the offense to the Panthers 21, where Stefanski in his infinite wisdom went into an empty set, where Wonnum, I believe, made it into the backfield virtually untouched in about 0.62 seconds. The first drive should have been extended but Johnson missed a catch and I believe their tight end, or slot receiver, didn't get the correct depth on a hitch. I don't think he struggled against any of the Panthers defense if I'm being honest. And if that's what his struggling looks like, then trade for him now. I've seen struggle the past two years, that wasn't it.

Yeah, I mean I can understand the thinking behind it. At least between all the boneheaded throws/INT's you will get some wild completions and TD's. Ideally, you just have better than both.

His rep is much more of a speed/quickness guy than a power guy. He's an athlete/wrestler type. You aren't gonna see him chucking people like DB does for us.

I'm just saying if my destination is 8 wins. I would rather watch Jake get me there than Teddy.

Honestly, my money is on him getting canned prior to the seasons in an effort for DC to save face. Not suggesting Evero won't deserve it but technically that wasn't a DC guy, he was inherited.

Corey Thornton continuing to be a DAWG Excited to see what Evero does this season now that he's had some talent committed to the defensive side of the ball. When LaBryan Ray is getting more than 51% of the snaps there isn't much else that can be done other than call a lot of cover-3 with the occasional fire zone mixed in.

Bryce shown more advanced passing in his last 5 NFL games than Daniel Jones ever has in his entire career, college or pros. It was a stupid contract for that franchise to hand out, given what Daniel had shown, which is was just basic level passing combined with decent scramble ability. Look I was very down on Bryce last year too and the jury is certainly still out but he is being underrated at this point. The passing and offensive command he showed in week 18 against Atlanta was as good as any QB that has ever played for this franchise. Luckily Carolina will have their answer in either direction after this year and can make a decision.