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I've been low-key keeping that kicker battle in the forefront. There certainly seems to be more misses than I'm used to (hell, Joe Person feeling the need to clarify), but it is practice, and I guess the skinny posts are skinny for a reason. There could be a better name, by the way. What about "precision posts?"

Typical of bigger WRs. KB was similar in that way. I think T-Mac is faster than KB but definitely doesn't have KB's physicality. He definitely has the better natural hands though KB was one of those odd guys who seemed like his hands got better the harder the catch was.

Madden ratings have always been silly. I haven't played in years but they used to just tank young players' "awareness" rating (whatever that does) to stunt their overalls down to the 70s.

Yeah, you know...... Whatever you say sweetcakes.

If he leaves, hopefully he'll come back for a 1 day deal to retire a Panther.

Hopefully he picks up a few habits from Thielen, Renfrow and Coker. Side bar: His initial acceleration leaves alot to be desired but his build up speed is pretty decent. Week 1 of last season he was one of top 5 fastest players in the country. Ironically, beating him also in the top 5 at 20.3 mph was Jimmy Horn Jr.

You gave me the keys- You cokeheads don't know his role. That's the the whole kit and caboodle, I know lloyd and his top 15 rating would be leading the Panthers defense while cokeheads don't know his role!

Very astute observation!

I really feel sorry for your lack.of communication skills. I'm not scared. You're acting like a damn joke right now. Certainly nothing to ever be scared of. Like Linville has said, we dont know Cokers role in this season's offense. We know he thrived last season. The jags aren't going to ask for Coker, and the Panthers aren't going to call the Jags.

I honestly hate how each of the past and current panther "superstars" have enough flaws to make each decisions very diffcult- Dbrown, Horn, Icky, BY, and even BB or Moore. You can make a clear case for NOT dropping the bag and dropping the bag. There's no clear 100% easy "Y-E-S". Plus Panthers have gave BY loads of help, imo too much for a #1 overall pick. Now he's going to want some burrow deal....Id don't like it....

I'm saying it now: not contested catch "guy," it is T-mac'a destiny to become a contested catch god!

Which angle? It would add around 1.5mill to the cap and Panthers get a top 15 PFF LB to lead the defense for the 2025 season? Chemistry wise, I don't know if Coker is liked or hated or loner or ______ . I just see hes got a few players in front of him. I think that's the biggest take-away, well besides all the cokeheads being too scared to call his stats or if he's active. Huddle has Coker rated as a ring of honor, I like him and all, but not that high......

On an off note, we may not have to pay Bryce if things don't go as planned. Barnwell isn't inking Bryce just yet: "There might be a truly desperate team out there willing to send a first-round pick to the Panthers right now, but I suspect most would probably prefer to wait and see whether the QB from the second half of 2024 is the guy we see in 2025. We might find out what Young really fetches in a trade after this season." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45824150/nfl-trade-tiers-2025-players-worth-first-round-pick-all-32-teams-contract-value#CAR Not that I'm trying to hijack the thread or anything...might have more money available than we thought...

He is supposed to be the contested catch guy. Good to see he seems to be able to do it at this level so far. Hope he can when the bullets are live.

It sucks to see. He has been rock solid for almost his entire career here. But, the franchise has some shaky cap situations coming up, so he may be a casualty in the end. I for one will always appreciate his time here and how much he has contributed. He will be missed.

Brother you are not a moron! Maybe age got you some. I feel it does come down to Icky or Motown, you can only pay one. Im going with the younger and more valuable LT. Who knows Panthers *could* not be happy with contract negotiations with Ickys reps and Know Motown would sign for 12 million per over 4 years. Then Panthers would need to be drafting a LT instead of RT. Let me check- Rashawn Slater signed a 4 year, $114,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Chargers, including $29,000,000 signing bonus, $92,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $28,500,000. In 2025, Slater will earn a base salary of $2,000,000, a signing bonus of $29,000,000 and a roster bonus of $7,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $14,800,000 and a dead cap value of $56,000,000 My god Icky will be in this zip code......

All of this bullshit over a hypothetical pursuit of a LB on the 31st ranked defense in the league and a fundamental misunderstanding of PFF and link after link proving I was right. Awesome.

It doesn't work for us.

Did I say that? Try again. In fact, I said the exact opposite in several respects. I don't run a football team, and I wouldn't presume to know what the ball boy knows, much less Eric Eager (for example). I can only know so much. I may question someone's opinion within the context of giving my own, but clowning people and personal insults are not my go-to style. Now, as some have learned over the more than last couple of decades, I can and will get stupid with people who get stupid with me.

Yea, I doubt Panthers can come close to a "fair" deal. Let me check- Morgan Moses signed a 3 year, $24,000,000 contract with the New England Patriots, including $4,200,000 signing bonus, $11,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,000,000. In 2025, Moses will earn a base salary of $2,300,000, a signing bonus of $4,200,000 and a workout bonus of $150,000, while carrying a cap hit of $4,550,000 and a dead cap value of $11,000,000. Moses is older, but I don't know if Motown would take that, the other point is Id don't think the Panthers can offer this either. They have Icky and then........BY. How do you place a price on BY if he goes out in 2025 and tears up everyone...250 million?!?!?! That's means no RT too. Just too many players to pay. The Panthers already paid up for OGs and invested 8th, 32, and 39 at WR. Plus tossed 4th and 5th at TE to help BY. Personally I feel Motown knows this is his last panther season and it means a lot to him.

I was a Philly Brown truther and yeah he was actually really good for a while. But frankly Coker showed more last year than Philly B ever did. Honestly think Coker could reach peak Victor Cruz level

I’m a moron and read this whole thread thinking it was about Ickey and not Moton and was like wtf are all these responses lol. I like Moton but we’re gonna have to pay Ickey or a different LT so RT will have to come cheaper.

Yup. I can't bank on a discount either in the modern NFL, just too rare. Just play and have fun this year IMO.

Thornton was in his jersey, he is bringing it and glad to hear about a UDFA making plays and earning reps. If Thor keeps it up, bu-bye Evans.

We'll see if he's emotional enough not to take that big payday from a team not named the Panthers. He'll be alright, and so will the team. I understand the emotional aspect that arises from the business side, and that it's really about value from the FO's standpoint, but I will admit that I do have a little stress thinking about trying to replace Moton in light of O-line replacement problems of the last decade. It would be nice to see T-Mo come to a compromise. In any event, replacing players is central to the job.