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Back to XL, I am not there to know how dense he is when it comes to coaching and the lessons offered and how long it takes for him to absorb that. I suspect he needs more time for that stuff. And whether it would help or not I think he would have a better chance with more attention than I think he gets. You wanna say he should hire his own coach? I wouldn’t disagree with that at all. Because he needs more coaching.

It’s not really hardball. Teams do the same with the fifth year. If Coker is invaluable and a solid WR, we’ll give him an extension with a signing bonus (for the immediate money) but the extension usually starts after/includes the RFA year.

There isn’t even negotiating. The tender amounts from ERFA and RFA are present, like the 5th year option or franchise tag. This discussion is kind of pointless right now.

I don’t know. I don’t feel like they should play hardball with him unless they don’t want to pay him later. He could get alienated given what he just did in the playoffs. If I were him I would think I had proven my worth. Course I don’t know and am not trying to say I am right and you are wrong. Just my perception of things.

He literally can't negotiate with any team but us. I'm sure we'll give him a nice raise, but I wouldn't expect him to get a huge contract just yet.

There is no 3 for 30 this year. Sitting out could ruin his career. If he plays lights out this year, the agent might be able to get 4 for 60 next year.

I will never be able to get that out of my head now! Aka "Kadoosh".

I again disagree but this literally has nothing to do with XL. He was just as bad in snap one as his last snap of the season. If anything, he kept getting worse. That's not a practice issue. That's an issue with motivation and ability.

He won’t get a new contract this year. It will likely be before his 4th year. Panthers can use the RFA for a cheap year in 2027 and then give him a 3-4 year extension for 2028-2030/2031. All assuming he has a solid year in 2026 and we want to extend him. There’s just 0 reason for Panthers to do anything different as worst case is you get him for 2 more cheap years or for 1 more cheap year and a 1st round pick.

A 100 point season elsewhere translates to an 80 point season under RBA. No question he's racking up points, but look at the Rangers and, specifically, his line. JT Miller, 32, $8M AAV for another 4 years beyond this. Trocheck, 32, $5.65M AAV for another 3 years. Zibanejad, 32, $8.5M AAV for another 4 years.... Thanks, but I'll take a 27-29 year old with an upside. Matter of fact, get Schmaltz from Utah for the next 2C. Watch him tonight. He's a UFA after the season, but Utah is in the playoffs right now.

I look at it like a quarter of the season is lower quality football. The veteran teams will likely fare better because they have a lot of experience together to fall back on. A team like us with a bunch of new people, it hurts us.

The amount of people in this thread that know nothing about NFL free agency rules is simply astounding.

The guy paid on commission? I can guarantee you that’s what he’s saying actually. Risking commission on 1.08 million dollars for a chance at commission on 30 over 3 is an easy calculation to make.

I definitely hear you there. I think that also had a lot to do with the drop off in QB play across the league. It has gotten worse and worse due to college coaches not really preparing kids to play at the next level anymore. They are just doing what they need to do to get wins. Who would've thought Matt Stafford would have this resurgence? Teams are holding on to old QBs now . They would've been a playoff team in the Cam year if so many players hadn't foregone the season and Cam didn't get covid. Then they made the playoffs in Mackorkle's first year. Then the great fall off began and that was due to his GM resume. Belichick definitely didn't have the greatest track record as a GM.

Yeah, that probably matters for 2-3 games of the season. If that is the difference between anything significant happening in your season or not, perhaps your team just wasn't very good? I don't think we will agree on this subject. I just generally view this as fairly insignificant.

I estimate a two year deal with them buying his RFA year. And his agent not wanting to lock him in for longer.

There is a point there. I think it is also fair to recognize that Belichick failed to develop a successor. With ample time over all those seasons. It reinforces the school of thought that a lot of the success is due to who your QB is. No matter how good a defensive mind you are.

Ah, we have the core of the issue. Someone not using their brain and just simply looking at the league rules. The dumbing down of humanity keeps increasing.

I have no problem signing him long term this offseason, but it would be in that 6.5-7M a year range

It’s clear. If you sit out and don’t accrue you go into the next season at the same level almost like the sit out year never happened. There’s no loophole to UFA after two accrued seasons.

How many times do I need to post Josh Palmer

Yeah a returner with 74 catches, 1207 receiving yards and 7 TD's in his career at the point he was named a Pro Bowler. But since you don't think that matters, he was also a first team All Pro that season, as well. You can dig this hole as deep as you want but I have no idea what the point of this is for you. Just to be as wrong as possible as many times as possible? This is literally much ado about nothing.

When people mentioned reasonable deals for a player in his position, you started talking about him holding out. What would he be holding out for? That's it, top league wideout money. Because that is what's next after Shaheed and the mid-level contracts that people suggested. To which you again replied about holding out. I jokingly sent a friend the video of Coker's dad dancing in the stands during the playoff game talking about how negotiations are going to be difficult. In actuality, they're not at all. And he's not going to hold out or he's going to get embarrassed.

I am saying it isn’t that as much as the lack of practice time in pads.