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Lots of things This particular debate isn't one of them though

100% agreed. They all had it coming because all of them were less than stellar hires in the first place. Even keeping Dan after 2023 was insane. This is the man that chose Hurney to begin his big NFL rollout LOL and that was after canning Ron when they both deserved it from the 2019 build.

What in the fug is wrong with you?

It's super tough for me to predict 2026 without the insane amount of variables involved. I will wait to see what the offseason looks like. Tepper has tended to be too impatient with HC's and too patient with GM's. Just on average, I would say. I don't think we really ever canned anyone(HC or GM) that didn't have or coming.

Yeah I don't know with the way KC works and the people above him we could conclude one way or the other but taking a job here does raise that flag given the MO of Tepper's Panthers. I wonder how the one step forward and one back again is treating Tepper? Better than pure embarrassment for sure but everytime they come out and say they have arrived they turn around and get reality checked. I don't think that motivation will ever leave him. He comes off as a hungry for life type of guy to me.

Canales was never a good coach. He was a bad OC in TB. He had their offense in the bottom third of the league, dead last in rushing. Liam Coen took over and they’re top 5 in points, passing, and rushing. He certainly isn’t a head coach, and he’s not a good OC either

Can't I'm currently surrounded by parrots Today's actually a pretty lazy day though. (retirement has its perks)

I'm going off what I've read from the Chiefs in the past. They certainly had way better ownership than us (the Hunt family) and neither Reid nor GM Brett Veach is known for being authoritarian. Hell, What reporters were shocked A while back when I asked to read about a personnel situation and he deferred to Veach. So no, nothing I can say definitively. The one thing I do feel comfortable saying about Tepper in that he's been publicly embarrassed by the team's results. And I genuinely believe that's an effective motivational thing for him.

Mr Scot dude go touch grass you’re allowed to not have the last word it’s fine

So it is My default course of action if I don't remember something is to look it up. I was actually in the process of doing that when you answered. I can see it's gonna be a great day

Agreed. DC and QB will be the story of 2026 on the current trajectory. I see us as backsliding in 2026. It's like us game to game this year but seasons. These people are inconsistent and that doesn't seem to be changing. 5th year Bryce and Dave's noose is unavoidable and that's what I am still expecting until it changes. I still say he was too patient with Rhule. There were no justifiable reasons for a year 3 except what Tepper blew on that contract which is a pretty weak reason given that situation. Reich was a disaster and more Tepper's fault for making it unavoidable. Even Ron had run his course and looked like he was mailing it in doing it the Tepper way in 2019. If anything he wouldn't have to fire so much if he wasn't such a terrible at hiring. That's been a way bigger issue than firing too early IMO

The 49ers are having a Lions like season this year. The injuries are insane but they just keep winning, like the 2024 Lions did.

I think Dan pushes more than Fritter did but not enough to shed that title. I think that's a huge assumption. He was second tier up there. Reid and owners being teir 1. So he actually could have been and still been a good fit. They have done lots of questionable stuff while he was up there but they were winning so it all flew under the radar anyways. Him coming out and being quoted the way he was leads me to think he runs that way plenty.

I mean it is literally in the OP, bruh.

Eh...I don't think Carroll is to blame for Mayer. He is a 3rd year player and has never really been able to elevate above a JAG status across multiple coaches. TBH, I think he is much more Tommy Tremble than he is Brock Bowers. Tremble might even be a good comp. I am not lobbying to get rid of Tremble but he has basically hit his Ian Thomas wall. He is who he is. If you lined up all 5 years of statistics and tape, you'd be hard pressed to determine which player was the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th year guy. He's a decent and rosterable TE. He's also a guy that we should be actively trying to upgrade over.....and we have. Sanders was the first and then we still drafted Evans. Some of this was we run a TE heavy offense and had an even worse TE room but some of it has also been that Tremble is a complimentary/role player. He really shouldn't be getting anywhere near the bulk of snaps.

Yeah, I didn't get the impression any of you guys would be trying to convince him to stay.

Agree about Tepper, but we did hear inside chatter that Dan was the one guy who was Never afraid to tell him he was wrong. Likewise, I have a hard time believing a guy from the Chiefs environment would be okay with that sort of situation.

Dan wouldn't have been hired if he wasn't. Getting in Nicole's ear also reinforces that for me. Doesn't sound like Dan the pkayer but sure sounds like Dan the AGM and GM. Dave only hires yes men and sales people.

I don't honestly even remember who his starting TE was in 2023 (his only OC season). He has made at least some use of our TEs this season but I get the feeling that after last year they were expecting more from Sanders than were currently getting.

As I keep saying, defensive coordinator here is our most interesting offseason storyline. That will be a very interesting thing to watch unfold. 2027 for DC? I am not sure about that. I think a lot depends on the remaining games and which direction they chose to go in the offseason. If we quintuple down on Bryce, I think Canales is on a hotter seat than we may know. That would be a bet on the future being Bryce but not necessarily Dave. To me that's an indication of the choice. So, if we struggle these last three games and then slide backwards in 2026, expect a rip roaring fire to be under Canales seat as the season continues. I wouldn't even be surprised to see him canned during the season. Now, if we opt to move on in some way from Bryce(new starter, trade him, decline 5th year, etc) then I think that buys Dave a little big of grace(situation dependent) if he is trying to get a new QB established in this offense. That leash may shorten or grow based on the direction they pivot. So, the seat could get cooler or hotter. Results will matter in either case. Tepper has shown to be impatient with head coaches, so we will see how he handles this slight amount of success.

Top NFL defenses in "Havoc" which is the % of plays a defense gets a pressure, TFL, forced fumble, INT, or pass breakup: We rank at the bottom of the league in this department. --- No one is disagreeing with the data in your text. We know we need pass rushers to get more pressure on the QBs, better play in the secondary to improve our pass defense, and some impact guys at LB. But, Evero isn't playing with a stacked deck. Our defensive roster is mediocre at best. Despite our talent deficiency, Evero has statistically managed to field a middle of the road defense in Carolina. Our main issue is on the offensive side of the ball. We are only averaging 18.9 points per game. That ranks 28th of out of 32 teams. Only the Browns, Saints, Titans, and Raiders score less points per game than the Panthers. FYI: We've been outscored by the woeful Saints 37-24 in our 2 games this season. Our point total averages out to 12 pts a game and theirs is less than 20 (actually 18.5 pts per game). How is that Evero's fault? https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/points-per-game

Understood, but this is still a pretty bad look for the league. They don't really want these kinds of conversations.

Well, there's no cap on front office spending, so at least if he needs to pay out the wazoo to get people there, nothing's stopping it.

I'm honestly looking beyond DC at this point. He's too green and is making too many simple mistakes. I think he's gone after next year. I think the intention in LV was to use Mayer and Bowers similar to Gronk/Hernandez in NE. That's never really struck me as Carroll's MO though after watching him for years out here in Seattle. He's talented enough and I think he just got lost behind the phenom that is Bowers because he couldn't develop in Carroll's system. I'm surprised Bowers is used as much as he is, though they really don't have anyone else. TE's don't really exist as focus receivers in Carroll's offense. I live in the PNW so I've been subjected to a lot of Seahawks football. Coaches other utilize their TEs. We should too. Tremble is OK, but he's always been a project as a receiver. Again, all this is of we could get him at the right price. I wouldn't pay a lot because we need to spend on defense.

David. Hey, money talks.....it has been acknowledged that Tepper isn't shy on spending. He's had the NFL equivalents of used car salesman after used car salesman line up to grift him of a big chunk. Canales is one of them. Until that changes, it's gonna be tough to build anything to last.