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Pretty sure, when interviewing coaching candidates, Tepper subtly or not, framed the trade up as an offer you can’t refuse. Probably asked questions about retread QBs in such a way that there was one obviously one answer that might get you the job and one that might get you “we’ll be in touch….”. Honestly I don’t really value anyone at the price we are paying but if they put that into Young I will think they have lost their minds. People here, y’all are not pros so I don’t expect you to not be emotional fans, but Fitterer, Reich, and the rest of them are pros. I keep telling myself that ha ha. But I would be pretty well shocked if they take Young, so am not stressing over it when I hear someone say they will. I just don’t believe it Personally I am looking forward to seeing which guy falls out of the top 5 and how far. And which of the non top four qb prospects gets picked the highest. Just to see where reality puts things.

Put him in the concussion protocol.

I’ll try and help with the irritating Bryce Young fan club part. No Panther fan is supposed to be a rabid fan of the player in this situation. If you are looking at college players, they are draft prospects. But I see Bryce this, Bryce that. No one has ever been successful at his weight and size, But Bryce Will Be! Bryce Bryce Bryce Bryce lol. It is too important for the fanboy mindset. And finally, defending the guy for playing games with his weight and whatever else he declined to do, is kind of fanboy stuff too. That is a legit thing to question. At the least gets an incomplete compared to those that were open books. His agent telling him to not throw, weigh, whatever, that’s NA. It’s not a magic thing that makes what he did or didn’t do go away for people who question it. They are still going to question it and rightly so. It was likely a calculated decision, risk/benefit wise. That’s me. Am I warm for anyone else? As for Bryce Young I drew the line long ago, decades. He is too small for ‘my’ team, at that roster position, at that draft position. Ditto his arm, it’s not 1A from what I can tell. There isn’t really any question for me, but I hope he can prove me wrong with whoever drafts him. I don’t hate him. I do hate him at one and it has nothing to do with another player. If we were at 9 I’d be interested if he fell. To me he is a longer shot player but that price is more tolerable.

Between QB and CB, (with all those draft picks spent) we could have stocked a team just about

Well, yeah. That was sort of what I was getting at. If we were at 9, him being what he is, doesn't bother me. It does at 1. You have to take the most ready. We are in agreement. (I think)

It sounds great to say they play against NFL guys, it's still not the NFL. It is college. Yes a few step right in, like, it is obvious. But NFL fans know even they are going to be better after a year in the league. So none truly give you what an NFL player does, in college. And then they will be playing against 11 NFL guys together playing on the field. Coached by better coaches with better tools, it is exponentially higher level. So people are mostly guessing. Like someone said, if a QB obviously worthy of a huge trade up for was in the draft, the pick wouldn't be traded. None of these QBs are sure things at all. I think a couple are real long shots.

I’m no Rivera fan. Well, I respect him as a DC and ex player, but am no fan of modern Rivera. And he gives me the vibe of a halfway house counselor anymore. But maybe he doesn’t want to do that again. He didn’t bring Cam in up there and could have. edit: and also we know they have issues there whether Ron addresses them or not. And it is lying season anyway. Who knows.

Me too on ILB.

Too bad AR wasn’t two years older this year. He’d probably be filled out and more experienced and here we sit. Can’t play around though, considering the investment made to acquire this year’s pick.

I am happy to see Ellis say that about the #1, proves he is intelligent. If it were Just that, it would still be too big a gamble but there would be life after. It would not kill you. (edit: but DJ, and the other haul we gave up, kills you) It is like Monty Hall showing you the three doors, you usually give up all your winnings and there is a jar of mustard behind the door.

Doing the trade scared me. Did not want. I think somebody falls and am more comfortable gambling a single 1st round draft pick on that guy and still having DJ. plus all those other players the picks are going to get for Chicago. Now that it is done, this is the reality. I am looking harder into the 'top two' options. I would be mad and lose a lot of faith in Reich if they did all that for Young.

I'm old. Math seems different now than it did when I went to school. I will try and explain with an example made for this draft pick math. Teachers never used number one picks for problems, so I will use apples. The Green apple is the 1st pick. The red apple represents picks elsewhere in the 1st round. Here we go: Johnny has two red apples, but his girlfriend Slutty Sally likes green apples better and Johnny is scared she'll cheat with Jimmy because guess why. Jimmy has a green apple but no girlfriend and thinks two red apples is better than one green one. So Johnny and Jimmy decide to trade. Johnny gives Jimmy both of his Red apples, and Jimmy gives his Green apple in return. Deal. How many red apples did the green apple cost? Hint... it is not one. He had two. If he had only given one, he would still have two. One green, one red. Still don't get it? This new math allows 2 to identify as 1? Is that it?

I haven't watched game tape of Young, and won't after seeing his pro day. He uses everything he can to get the ball launched. There is some little move that he does, that moves him forward a little where he then starts his throwing motion. He needs the depth and time to do a deep throw, and you can't judge that from watching college and say it will be fine (okay, you can), you need to extrapolate that to NFL speed, size, and smarts. The coaching staffs are wilier than college. I don't think he will be able to step up and what I envision or foresee is him abandoning the pocket and taking off, will be his main game. Then I watch a guy flick his wrist to throw, the ball comes out fast and flying right, and goes where he wants it. And, the guy takes snaps under the center. Pro. Football.

I take the 'from afar" to mean they aren't looking close enough and are missing things.

Trading what they did is not playing anything 'safe'. That was the throwing of the dice. You are trading to be sure you don't take 3rd choice in a two horse race. Doubling down on that for a long shot is bad strategy. If your life depends on it, that is when you try that. It doesn't.

I already question the coaching staff's endorsement to do the trade up if either of these guys is the target and now that I looked at the players closer, you just don't take a player like Bryce Young number one overall. You damned sure don't trade what they traded for the privilege. Which doesn't mean Stroud is that #1 player either but if you have to pick one it is clear.

Props for the short support. Those guys deserve them. The belief in our fate being tied in with shortness, like it is some kind of secret mojo that unlocks power, would be what it takes to get me on Young as the pick. But I don't believe it.

I am trying to figure how we blame Jake Delhomme for losing that SB. I was yelling at Fox a lot. Chasing points. At Kasay. At the defense on their GW drive.

Get your best players in the game, however you have to do it. This has been interesting to me since they gave Wilks the job, but brand new schemes on both sides of the ball is extra fun.

Look at it like horse racing, the draft trade to 1st overall represents a huge pile of your eggs being wagered. AR is too much a long shot to bet huge to win. Maybe you play a place or show bet, but putting huge amounts down, you want the safer bet. Better chance to win, means less chance to lose. Spending the 9th would be a different story. My preference would be to place a longer odds bet on a guy at 9 (rather than to bet so much we are afraid to place on what we think could be the fastest horse). Unlike horse racing, you can win the same amount betting 5 bet or 50 if you choose wisely. Years of picks, or a 3rd rounder, pay the same when they hit.

Tepper likely would have means to find out more of the inside story of that situation in Indy. I like to think he saw Reich refuse to placate Irsay, and knowing that he has these same type impulses and needs a strong personality to save him from himself? Maybe not.

If I were Baltimore I would take two firsts for that guy even if they were from KC. Just get something and get that money off the books and wash hands. It probably isn’t gonna be permanently fixed there. Now somebody remind me that KC already has a QB….

Think it is coming up. Have seen it written they are going to Gainesville don’t remember the schedule.

Yeah the value is too far off when they could have had him at 3. Which is way too high as well but it is what it is at this point.

Well over a hundred million guaranteed. Who the hell can’t retire one one year of 40 million plus per. He would surely get paid that first year. They’d be guaranteeing the first years wouldn’t they? It is simple Greed.