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Vrabel, although I think that he may be good in theory, is 54-45. I don't know that he's the best option. How do y'all know he isn't just going to be another Rivera or Fox?

How can you exclude Harbaugh? C'mon', man.

OK I've had time to think about this. The Panthers were well within their rights to decline the Jags, as that was a lateral move. So, it was probably smart, as they can keep him tied up until he leaves as an HC, or until we work out whether or not he's going to be here under the new administration. The Panthers cannot stop Ejiro from interviewing as an HC.

Really big ugly.

I think that it's more about your own outlook than anything else. Take your own medicine.

Credit Anthony Rizzuti of Panthers Wire for the grades. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/lists/best-and-worst-pff-grades-from-panthers-2023-season/ Best: Offense 1. RB Chuba Hubbard: 77.2 2. RT Taylor Moton: 74.6 3. WR Adam Thielen: 72.7 4. LT Ikem Ekwonu: 67.4 5. WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette: 63.6 Defense 1. DT Derrick Brown: 90.1 2. CB Jaycee Horn: 84.1 3. S Xavier Woods: 80.3 4. LB Frankie Luvu: 78.5 5. OLB Brian Burns: 74.1 Worst: Offense 17. G Calvin Throckmorton: 50.6 18. G Austin Corbett: 47.9 19. TE Hayden Hurst: 44.7 20. G Nash Jensen: 34.7 21. G Chandler Zavala: 26.2 Defense 21. OLB DJ Johnson: 50.4 22. DL DeShawn Williams: 50.0 23. LB Kamu Grugier-Hill: 48.6 24. CB D’Shawn Jamison: 47.2 25. CB CJ Henderson: 45.4 Some thoughts: I have always said that Chuba is undervalued in this place. He's a hard runner and obviously hard worker as his game has seen progress every season. It's not to say that there aren't more talented backs, but I wonder what Chuba would do behind a better line. In any event, keeping him seems like a no-brainer for a league largely gone to RBBC. Ickey would probably be an excellent guard. He had a bit of a sophomore slump---some terrible...what looked to be lapses---but he's a talented enough run blocker, and would also likely thrive as a guard where he wouldn't have to think so much or move his feet as much (which appears to be athletically challenging for him). Even after all that, he was never overall terrible, unlike what some may have proclaimed. As a guard, he would greatly strengthen the interior which was quite frankly awful too much of the time (as anyone can gather by simply looking at the worst grades on offense). Smith Marsette seems like a keeper to me. He's solid in the return game, and he can give an offense a spark a few plays per game. As a four or five, I don't know if you can do much better. He plays with heart, which was lacking in the receiving department in 2023. What can Brown do for you? Get you a 100 tackles. Should be our priority on defense. From some perspective Horn may be the biggest question mark in terms of what do we do with him. The problem with Burns is that he wants to get paid more than what he's displayed on the field. He's earned a solid payday, just not a bank-breaking payday. We can let him rob us, or we can do the sensible thing which is tag him and let him test the market. If he can find someone willing to pay what he thinks he's worth, let them do just that and take the compensation. I don't believe that we should overpay for Luvu either, but he's earned a solid payday and a lengthier stay.

IDK. I copy and paste the links all the time and it always works for me.

Interesting. I wonder what he thinks about it.

Why would we not tag him is a more interesting discussion.

Any thing that causes the Cowboys some pain, I am all for.

Dollar Store Dave

First of all, I was referring to how many see Harrison. I don't believe in sure-things coming out of college with at least some proof on the professional level. I've already said what I need to say about what I and others deem a true WR1 to be. If you don't agree, tough.

So, now you're questioning whether people think that Harrison can be a generational receiver. Noted!

Trading down has everything to do with gaining draft capital AND getting Harrison whom many think can be generational (i.e., a true no. 1).

That's great. He's a good football player. We were stupid to give him up considering what we got in return. But let's not act like there aren't people who believe that the Bears should trade down and take whom many believe is a generational talent (i.e., Harrison Jr.).

There is always a "#1 in an offense," so that's effectively a non-starter as far as debate is concerned. That doesn't necessarily define a true #1. We may not agree what a true WR1 is, and there may be no definitive "right" answer, but there is a general debate as to what defines a true no. 1. I was charged with being a "hater," and not wanting my ego hurt, or not wanting to be "wrong." For me, I simply believe what I believe, and others obviously believe the same way (whether on the Huddle or not). I've offered links, definitions and explanations. It's all that I can do. My bar is set high, and I'm not going to apologize for it.

You have to put fear in opponents, so much so that you're double or triple teamed on damn near every play, and still consistently produce. You have to be able to make FU plays when the whole world knows the ball is coming to you, and yet the opposition can't do a damned thing about it because of your route running and ability to get open, even when the game is on the line. When you are a true WR1, everyone knows you're that guy, without question. No excuses about the defensive scheme, the man (or men) on the other side of you, the QB who's throwing you the ball...you affect the play of others---your teammates and the opposition---with your very presence, particularly when the game is on the line and your number is called. The opposition just doesn't respect you, they fear you.

Not true. There are plenty of people who think that there are only a handful of true ones in the league,. There are also people that consider the main receiver on a team a "one." Like I explained in my reply, it's all a matter of definition. But there aren't true WR1s just falling off trees. Moore is not a true WR1 in my opinion, and likely others' opinions also. Moore has been a good to very good receiver in spots, but has never been in the top echelon of receivers during his time in the league, or in league history. "Every team has a WR1, but there are only about six to eight true number 1 wide receivers in the NFL at any given time – and it looks like the Jaguars have one of them." https://www.google.com/amp/s/lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2023/08/18/jacksonville-jaguars-wide-receiver-calvin-ridley/amp/ ------ "I was listening to The Ringer NFL podcast and Mike Lombardi claims there are only 3-4 true #1 guys as receiving threats." ------ Over the past few months, I’ve asked coaches and evaluators around the NFL what makes a true No. 1 wideout in their minds. Some of their answers were as nuanced as the receivers themselves, but their input provided a framework for categorizing the top wideouts. “A No. 1 receiver to me is someone who can take over a game, someone you need to double-cover the whole game,” a general manager said. “Like Julio, you have to have a safety over him the whole game, and the minute you don’t, he is going to run by you and take it to the house.” Another GM thought true No. 1 receivers should be able to win matchups on the perimeter while showing enough versatility to play effectively from the slot as well. “He has very good speed, at least,” this GM said. “Not necessarily always size, but the athletic ability and explosiveness to change a game.” And a third GM said true No. 1 receivers must be able to beat zone or man coverage. “To be a No. 1,” this GM added, “you have to be able to make contested catches because we have to be able to throw the ball to you when everybody knows it’s coming.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/1262373/2019/10/09/who-are-the-nfls-true-no-1-receivers-coaches-and-evaluators-weigh-in/%3famp=1 ------ There are other articles and other opinions, but suffice it to say that the bar for a true WR1 is generally higher, not lower, for NFL types, while fans on message boards can be more generous and inclusive of second tier guys.

The Panthers better think long and hard before they pass up any QB.

Ain't got anything to do with ego. There are young receivers who thrive double-team or not. Moore just ain't one of them whether you, or anyone, admit the truth or not. Moore needs help, and always has, whether you, or anyone, admits the truth or not. And Moore is still not the route runner that superior receivers have been, whether you, or any Huddler, admits it or not. These truths do not make him an invaluable receiver, but it does mean that Jefferson, Chase, Hill, prime Kupp, prime OBJ, Smitty (prime or not), Andre Johnson, prime Mike Evans, prime Nuk, Antonio Brown...he's not.

This stream from Germany is amazing...

That should probably do it.

You can't keep not scoring if you're Washington and expect to win.