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A couple years ago I looked up how long it had been since a team had taken a OT in the top 10 and had that guy be an anchor on a super bowl run and had to go back forever the chiefs won one with Eric fisher since then but nobody would confuse him with being important to their success-especially the chiefs. offensive line is a really practical free agency investment, whereas conversely, a lot of the offensive lines on the list above have been together on bad teams for a while and only became relevant organizations once they found a QB..Dallas, Tampa, etc.

What does this mean? do people who say stuff like this really not realize how small it makes their perspective look? there is a world and an offseason and offseasons beyond just what the panthers do with this one singular pick with this pick however, you have to abide by the mechanics and realities of the draft and how the league operates

Well in short the panthers didn’t draft a single other good player and nobody cared and it went on to become regarded as perhaps the best draft class in the history of the franchise because having an elite QB dwarfs everything else by comparison but also they probably should’ve gotten some more good players too, it was a great class

Honestly the cam selection wasn’t luck (he went back to school) ill give Marty his due, he made that pick despite the world telling him not to because the media was telling him there’s no QB worth a 1st overall pick and the fanbase was telling him “games are won in the trenches” and to take the SURE THING in marcel dareus

People here only hated the darnold trade once they realized it cost us draft picks for nothing. it was heralded at the time because we “didn’t have to use a 1st on a QB.” as if there is anything more worthy of a 1st round selection.

I mean we tried that. Now we’re talking about improving the roster around darnold a bit more and hoping things get worse. and of course you’re still discounting a valuable and plausible opportunity at finding a franchise guy. Seems kind of bird in hand to me.

I’m waiting to see who the OC is before i start gravitating to anyone. pickett’s got a lot of starts, could weather some bad coaching for a season. If I like the choice at OC, I may be willing to stretch a bit more.

even if it flounders it’s far more conducive to your long term success to have josh Rosen lead you to kyler Murray than to have a parade of 1st round picks spent elsewhere i mean don’t get me wrong, the quality of the product was better when it was a team game. But it really isn’t anymore, not in the way it used to be.

Tua aside, the media reviled Justin Herbert after he regressed to the mean his final season at Oregon, as did most of this board. trying to paint that class as being labeled “can’t miss” is verifiably false theres a single “can’t miss” prospect in a draft about once a decade or so and people here actually believe you should wait for him and hope to luck into the 1st overall pick ”prepare the roster” at some point you have to realize that either your methodology is bad or your ability to evaluate the position is

Getting the top pick of the 1st round is almost as difficult as getting its last pick any plan that hinges on that kind of desperate hope isn’t a plan its literally just desperate hope

lol no they weren’t, and they especially weren’t on this board where your demographic of people were decrying it as a weak QB class. that absolutely is revisionism

this feels like extreme revisionism

All your doing with this comment is opening to the door to “well why not next year?” last year was a weak class and we were meant to wait for a STACKED class in 2022 with HOWELL and RIDDER and RATTLER year before was a similar story with “I just don’t believe in Herbert” and “tua is injury prone, why not just wait and we’ll get Lawrence?” next year never comes. Circumstances never play out in the absolute perfect manner you need them to. At some point has to at some point be right now.

Far preferable to try and miss than to watch one of these guys inevitably go elsewhere and turn into playoff mainstays. there are worse things in the world than a “bust.”

Wow really? I had no idea we were sitting so pretty.

The only people who compare bridgewater and darnold to an actual high end draft pick at the position are the people who swallowed the team propaganda on what clever maneuvers those were ”if Sam darnold didn’t work out, how could anyone?” because they were established as what they were and the only people who didn’t already know it are making personnel decisions for your favorite team

Having a competent OL is essential-having a dominant OL without a high end QB is a pointless and costly endeavor. with rare exception, the day of “building around the QB” is long since gone, and the “prepare the roster for a future QB” argument was always moronic. the value and rarity of finding of an opportunity to take a meaningful swing at a franchise QB far exceeds getting a “sure” thing at any other spot on the field, assembling a competent OL is fairly easy task. also if the Bengalis took penei Sewell over Jamarr chase they wouldn’t have made the playoffs and I just want everyone to swallow that choke it down boys

What are you talking about? this in no way rebuffs my previous point.

lol having a line that is “one of the best in the NFL” isn’t the objective

Yeah you’ve gotta go back nearly a decade to find it, there’s almost always a great player to be had at the QB position. The good teams identify that guy and acquire him and reap the benefits you saw.

Any player can contribute to a team’s success. The point is impact and availability of talent relative to the ease of ability to acquire the positions that make the biggest impact, further quantified by cost.

You’re absolutely right i am. Like the league’s best franchises, I understand the concept of value relative to availability of talent, contribution to a team’s overall success, pay scale, the evolving nature of the game, and other largely simple realities that are apparently still too complex for a tiny brain drunk on tired cliches like “just looking to come away with a good player” and “I just wanna get the safest player available” and other dated adages that keep poorly ran teams like the Indianapolis colts locked in the cellar and unable to separate themselves from the pack in the league’s worst division

The colts getting sucked into blowing a top 10 pick on a player who has quite literally never added a single win to their win total shouldn’t be a blueprint

And it was a stupid pick

Uh yeah thanks buddy i know