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Bryce needs to give his WRs a chance on the deep sideline passes. Other than that, I really don't see what else he NEEDs to do better or more consistently. He's making every throw except the aforementioned. He's throwing on time and on spot. He's throwing receivers open most of the time. He's making good decisions. He's stepping up in the pocket with his eyes downfield. He's escaping the pocket and making plays when the protection breaks down. And he's doing it all very consistently. You can't judge a QB in a vacuum with statistics. He can only control what he can control. He can't make the OC call a play that works against the defense. He can't make the Center give a good snap, or the Oline block, or the receiver run a good route, or the receiver catch the ball, or the receiver run with the ball after he catches it. Look around the league. When you watch other games, where would you rank the Panthers receivers on making contested catches that hit them in both hands, and/or run after catch? I know I watch other games (usually split screen for the 1:00pm games and 4:00pm games) and see that every team has a guy or 2 out there that looks like he's ready to take it to the house after every catch. Every team has a guy or 2 out there catching the ball with defenders in tight coverage. Panthers get that occassionally - mostly Thielen. But no one is out there running after the catch. No one. Even running backs are taking screens to the house in other games. That's huge for stats and it's makes a QB's job easier. Bryce's passing yards are basically where the receivers catch the ball. When you complete 20+ passes and nobody breaks one, that's a lot of pressure. Bryce was horrible overall last season and the first 2 games this season. He deserved to be benched. He was playing like a scared puppy out there. It was embarrassing for him and the team. I called him trash after the second game. But he's always been a threat in a close game with 2 minutes on the clock. Even last year. And he's actually taken a step forward in that department this season. But again, he can only control what he can control. Wins and losses are a team stat. Not a QB stat.

Frank, that's the point. So do you really think Bryce has been playing just below "being benched" level? Honestly? That's what you see in the last 4 weeks? There are a LOT of things going on that he can't control and there are not 20 QBs playing better than Bryce in the NFL right now.

QB1 is also just more comfortable and knowledgeable of the offense. He understands where everyone is supposed to be. He sees his escapes and outs because he knows the offense better. Remember when he used to do play action fakes to the wrong side? He would be faking a hand off to the left and the running back would be going to the right. That's why he needed to sit. I think he owns the playcalls now rather than trying to figure it out on the fly. The game is too fast for that.

Sir I was born and raised in Columbia, S.C. and I have never eaten a snake, possum, rat, cat or squirrel. In fact, I have never seen any of that prepared for consumption. Now I have eaten turtle and alligator - ironically enough in NC and New Orleans. To be transparent, I did eat pickled pig's feet. Would walk around with them like they were Popsicles. Always had a jar in the house.

Yo!!! That's out of pocket sir!

No more project players in the first and second rounds. Repeat with me. No more project players in the first and second rounds. I don't care how athletic they are. Production and skill, with a little lower size and athleticism is much better than a pure athlete that doesn't know how to play the position.

He is not bottom of the NFL right now. He's probably somewhere in the top half right now taking everything into consideration.

And there he is

Blake Corum was a 3rd rounder. That kid can do it all. And he's just sitting on the Ram's bench. Would love to swoop him or a similar RB up for a 4th rounder.

They absolutely have to draft a RB. Unless Boone turns out to be something. Then I'd use those picks on offensive line.

Stats absolutely don't tell the full story. All passes are not the same. Bryce is actually making some high difficulty plays. The scramble out of his own end zone to hit XL for 30+ yards last Sunday is not the same as a WR running open 30 yards down the field and you just toss it to him. Very different levels of difficulty. And the drops... All drops are not the same. WRs occassionally lose concentration on routine plays. That happens. It's understandable when you do something so often that it becomes second nature - until you screw it up by not finishing. So, I wouldn't even bring up the 5 - 10 yards drops in the middle of a drive. I'm identifying the dropped TDs (I can remember 3 off the top of my head to Tremble, Thielen and Moore), and deep passes, and even an interception that was a perfectly placed deep pass that the DB took out of XL's hands. He literally had both hands on the ball and the DB took it from him as he went to secure it, and that counted as an interception on the QB. The yards or the strip don't show up unless you watch the game. Stats tell a story. Just not a complete one.

Right. My main reason for wanting an offensive minded coach was to be more aggressive offensively. Fox and Rivera offenses would have been hard to watch without Jake (I'm just throwing it up deep to Smitty) and Cam (I'm running by, through and over everybody).

Yeah, I definitely agree that he hasn't been top 5 overall QB in the NFL. I interpret the posts I've seen as top 5 in some metrics over the last 3-4 games. Top 5 overall is just not true.

I don't expect the Cowboys to win, but I do see what you're saying about the team playing to their competition. The passing game is a good example. I don't know if it's playcalls or QB decision, but the Panthers seem to be conservative early in close games.

Well that's certainly obvious. But to give up on a 2nd round pick half way through his 2nd season is hasty. Unless he's a malcontent or they really do have plans to upgrade the receiving corps next season and he isn't in the plans.

Very good point.

This is why Diontae had to go. Anyone think Mingo was another "issue"?

Wait, what? I thought you were... never mind. I'm so confused right now.

Whoever is coaching the oline needs to be extended indefinitely. He can only leave if he retires.

He'll be fine. As much as Canales is known as a QB whisperer, he and Idzik are really WR coaches. They'll get Legette right. He just needs to not be injured during off season workouts.

I think you meant to say - If XL stays on his feet and just catches the ball with his hands and walk into the endzone to take the lead, and the defense doesn't give up a FG with 45 seconds remaining in the game. Agree. I don't get why folk are hating on Bryce right now. I was down on him after the first 2 games. But he's playing really good football right now. Really good.

Alright Rock. If you say so. For the record, Dalton had 3 games with over 200 yards passing in his 5 game stint as the starter. Guess who his leading receiver was in each of those games? Guess...

Let's not forget J. Sanders going full Nakamura on a perfectly placed scramble drill ball that may have gone for 70 and a TD.

I'm not nitpicking. I'm pointing out fallacies in your statement. So take out Diontae and Adam from the Raiders game, and what would his stats look like? Don't get into hypotheticals about someone else replacing those numbers. No other receivers on this team are remotely at their levels, particularly in that game.

Bryce's interception was a big play. Particularly since Philly drove down and scored a TD. Not the right time to take a chance there. Actually it was just a bad miss. Even if he didn't see the safety (which I doubt), it wasn't even close to being catchable. It happens. As for XL, he is a rookie with the yips. Maybe he's hitting the wall. I think he'll be fine once he gets his confidence back. He's questioning every catch and pressing because of it. That was a fairly routine catch for an NFL WR. That was a fairly routine catch for Legette. He caught it with both hands and just didn't secure it.