SmokinwithWilly

If he does come to the NFL I'd expect nothing less than the Raiders. I suspect the new team HQ would be moved to Circus Circus.

Bite your damn tongue. I got 3 bucks and change riding on the outcome.

Have him in 3 big money leagues that determine seeding this week.

If we could win by 1 and still have Barkley get 300 and 3td that'd be great....

If his arm had been out like he was trying to wrap up, I don't think it would have been a penalty because it was such a bang bang play and both players started moving down at almost the same time. Having that arm in like that changed the entire nature of the "tackle".

Probably going to depend on how severe that concussion is and if there are any lingering effects. A lot of guys recover, then you look at Oher and it ended his career. One of my close family members has post concussion syndrome and it didn't really show up in full until about 3 months after.

I see the need for both. XL's hands aren't great and maybe an off season on the jugs machine helps that. Coker has yet to be determined how good he's going to be though it does look promising. I've just always been a fan of that no name guy that puts on his cleats, knows where the 1st down marker is, and if you need 9 he gets you 9.1 almost every time. He's not getting 8-10 targets a game, maybe 2-3, but they're the important ones on 3rd down to keep the chains moving and the drive alive. Fresh set of downs to get that explosive guy the ball. JMO, but I think you have to have one of those guys in your receiving corps.

Hog mollies don't make good WRs and we all know how much Nippleshorts loved his hog mollies.

Call me crazy but I'd like a Bersin type guy in later rounds that can learn under AT the tricks about how to get open. Bersin wasn't flashy or fast, but he caught every damn thing thrown at him. Someone who's willing to go across the middle and take those hits and actually hang on to the damn ball is something I think we've been sorely missing for a while.

It's not all about Bryce. TMac helps any QB on our roster. We've crippled the defense this year to help Bryce and spent a ton of resources in the past 2 years to build around him. This needs to be about building a team. If Bryce gets drilled in the shoulder tomorrow and his career is over, having a well rounded offensive unit helps any QB, not just Bryce. We need a WR1 for any QB, not just Bryce. We've got to start playing the long game instead of the short game we've played for 3 decades.

Here's how it makes sense. Bryce or Brady, we need a #1 WR. TMac is an elite talent at a high position of need. It's about building a team, not just Bryce.

It's really only been 2 games. The NO team was so bad their coach was fired after the game and Chuba and the defense carried the team to the win against NY. He's played better but I'm not willing to crown him QB god yet. I want to see more than 2 games or even the rest of the season. I want a full 3rd season with the occasional clunker because it happens to every QB, even the great ones. I just need more than what we've seen to this point.

Even the Broncos fans I was watching with were calling BS. The league sent a clear message Cam was not going to be the face of the NFL and Peyton was going out a winner. Talib said he was trying to injure Philly Brown and got a 25k fine and NO players got a year suspension. It's not soft. It's rigged.

I was just getting ready to bring up the Thorpe award.

Maybe so. But we're going to need more than 2 games to declare him the next great one and not the next Kyle Allen.

So if Hunter and Tmac are both sitting there, who are you taking?

What we've been saying is that he may be the #1 prospect but being the top prospect doesn't necessarily mean he's the best fit. You've been hammering that he's going to be the Heisman winner, but as it turns out, that's not really a mark of future NFL success in the past couple of decades. You've also been going on about stats and those don't really matter as much as people think because of the talent disparity between colleges. NFL teams are much closer talent wise than colleges so you really have to start looking at the traits and skills vs numbers. Just because he's the #1 prospect doesn't mean he's going to be great in the NFL. Is he the best WR in the draft? Debatable. Best DB? Also debatable. We're looking at is he the best player at whichever position he decides to play and how is that going to translate to the NFL game? Is he going to fit in with whatever the coach or team is trying to do? Are there potential attitude problems? Are there issues with learning the playbook? Are there issues with any number of different things that goes into examining these players? These are the same questions you ask when you look at any potential prospect, 1 or 100. Tuka gave a very well thought out reason why he'd take TMac over Hunter at WR. WR on the outside vs WR in the slot. Arguments can be made for the success and drawbacks of both in different systems. The Giants already have Nabors. Would pairing him with Hunter or Tmac make more sense? There's going to be a new coach in NY. What type of offense is he going to run? Are they going to be looking for a QB in the draft or going FA? Would it make more sense to trade out of that spot and grab picks if another team wants to move up? He's also said “They said I couldn’t do it in college,” Hunter said. “I ended up doing it in college. So a lot of people telling me I can’t do it in the NFL, but I’m gonna still do it in the NFL.” That could be a potential problem if he doesn't want to listen to his coaches if they tell him no. You're talking he's the #1 college prospect. He is likely by a majority of scouts and media. What we're talking about is is he the #1 fit at WR or DB at the NFL level? Those are 2 very different things and are very debatable.

Do you see us keeping Horn? He's going to want that big contract and I don't know that you can give it to him given his injury history. Plus, depending on how we finish the season, he may not want to stay like Luvu. There's something to be said for being with a competitor. I think these last few games are really going to steer where we go in the draft.

He hasn't played a single snap in the NFL yet. Lots of prospects don't work out in the NFL for a variety of reasons. I've never said he's not good. I've never said he's not elite. I've said I don't know how well he will translate to the NFL for any number of reasons. You're giving him his statue and jacket already. I'm saying let him play the game before you pronounce him the next god of the NFL.

Oh I get what you're saying and completely agree. I just don't think it would long to prove how playing both ways just isn't feasible, even in a single game. He'd become a liability by the 4th quarter. Also, any larger receiver is just going to be able to body him off the ball. I think to play DB in the NFL he's going to need to put on at least 15-20 lbs.

It would take a few series of him playing both ways before an OC pulled a Julio Jones and ran a couple of decoy post routes before torching him on the 3rd because he was exhausted.

Ian Thomas will never be released!

I know people here gave him a lot of poo, but Bersin had hands. If it hit his hands, he caught it. Theilen is the only other receiver we've had since with hands like that. Everyone loves the 40 and route trees but I'd rather be lacking in those 2 and just have somebody that can actually catch the damn ball.

He didn't say he won't win it. He said he will win it because of his 2 way play. Once he goes to the NFL, his days of 2 way play are over with. At that point, the reason why he won the heisman will become irrelevant because he won't play both ways on the NFL field. He may be the best overall player in the draft, but it's not unanimous across scouts like you believe. Half of what he does in college he won't be doing in the NFL. If you don't think that's going to have an impact on how he's looked at, then you've got your head buried in the sand. He's a top NFL prospect. He may not be the top choice for every NFL team. I don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

In hockey, it's still a plus 2.