SmokinwithWilly

This is such an incrediblely stupid take. I'm one of the ones saying we need to have a better backup than Andy Dalton and it has nothing to do with any Bryce hate. Take away the names and look at capabilities of our current QB1 and QB2. Did you not see what happened to Miami last year? Tua goes down and with 2 of the best WRs in football their juggernaut offense looks like preschool yard ball. We need to be developing a 2nd QB if we're serious about a playoff run. Dalton showed he isn't good enough to get it done for multiple games. Now whether that means bringing in a different vet or actually trying to develop QB talent for once in franchise history, we need to be looking elsewhere to better the overall team. Having a reliable backup is a good thing. DA wasn't great, but he was serviceable for a little bit if Cam got hurt. DC is supposed to be a QB whisper so let him whisper to 2 QBs and the team is in a better position. Injuries are part of football. You need to be as best prepared as you can be for the inevitable. I'd be making the same argument if we had Mahomes or Brady and not Bryce.

Tell us how you really feel.

You have more confidence in our FO than I do at this point. Over the course of Pamthers history we've seen very little of competent GM team building. I'm glad you have that confidence in Dan. Right now, I don't.

You can have 3 QBs on the roster, even if one is protected on the PS. I get that this is how it's done now in the NFL, but it doesn't mean it's a good idea. NfL teams also throw rookies in before they're ready, BY being a perfect example, instead of sitting them and letting them learn. I understand Daltons presence, but he is not the future at the backup position. So it is in our best interests to churn through potential QBs to find someone with backup potential for when Dalton is gone, if BY is still the starter, to learn as QB2 at that time. I like to get ahead

Bryce should understand just like anyone in the NFL that injuries can happen at any time. The team is about more than Bryce. Drafting or picking up someone in FA that can develop as a backup, and play competently for a few games at least is a very good thing. Would you rather go 0-3 during a BY injury and miss the playoffs because we're scared to hurt his feelings by bringing in another QB, or win 1 or 2 of those games and get in as a wild card. This isn't about making Bryce comfortable. It's about building the best team possible. If Bryce is playing better than his backup, then he should start, if not, his backup should. It's not personal, it's the nature of elite sports.

True. But also possible we didn't take XL and could have been looking at a 1a and 1b situation like Chase/Higgins having Moore and Tmac. There's so many different possibilities of what we could have done and where we could have ended up. I'll still go back to my original point though. Not trading Burns was a huge mistake and we lost any leverage of not paying him like a top 3 edge when we said no. If we weren't planning on paying him, which we ultimately weren't, we shouldn't have hesitated on making the trade. What follows on my part is a lot of speculation of what could have happened, but I think they're realistic possibilities at least. I still think we were taken to the cleaners by the Bears because they had the opportunity to have taken Daniel's over Williams, have Moore for him to throw to and this year's 2nd to work with.

We did. Also possible that if Chicago had traded up to get Caleb in 24, we could have had our pick and theirs this year to take TMac and Warren.

We lost the trade and ironically, it doesn't have to do with that trade. We lost because we didn't make the Burns trade. A QB ransom for an edge rusher, that while good, was not in the elite class. Making the Burns trade would have given us 2 future 1sts and a 2nd to barter with while keeping our own picks. Taking this trade was so obvious that even us lowly Huddlers knew it was a mistake to reject it. We also knew we were going to have to trade up if we wanted to get to one of the top QBs in the draft and you need ammo to do that. We could likely have swapped 1sts, added the future 2 Rams 1sts, kept the 2nd and our 2nds, kept Moore, and had an immediate WR1 for our rookie QB. Also, having our 2024 1st we could have traded away to gain several picks and likely recoup what we gave up in the Bryce trade to begin with. We could have done a trade down and still picked up picks and drafted an edge rusher to replace Burns. While this doesn't address the players taken themselves, I am more than confident in saying we lost the trade because we set ourselves up for failure before the trade was even made.

I think we should have tried to iimprove our QB room. Dalton as a mentor is fine but I don't want him playing long term. We should always be trying to improve, even in the backup QB spot. I'm more concerned about the team than a year one particular player. Look at Purdy, Dak, and Brady. All young backup players that had success once they had an opportunity to injury. Players that started moving forward. Jimmy G was a backup that was traded for a 2nd. These are exceptions to the rule, but you'll never find the gem if you never look. We should be developing multiple QBs all the time. BY is the starter for now but should always feel pushed. I don't want the team to fall apart if BY suffers an injury. Next man up. Always try to improve the caliber of players on your team.

Bryce has to show significant improvement, even if we don't win. I don't understand not bringing in competition at the QB position. Dalton is not the answer if Bryce gets injured. We should always be trying to improve the QB room. There are multiple examples of backups that ended up being better than the starter following an injury. I don't think that this team is going to magically turn around with one of the worst defenses in the NFL returning, but with new faces. The things I need to see. 1. Quick progressions and decisions for getting rid of the ball, whether that's to a receiver or sidelines. 2. Multiple long sustained drives every game 3. Confidence. We need that swag back. He was showing it at the end of the season. We need a full season of that. 4. Less fumbles. He can't cough it up when someone gets to him. 5. IT. Some QBs have it, some don't. You know it when you see it. 6. More game winning drives where BY is the one leading it and doing it. I don't consider handing the ball off 3 times and kicking a FG a game winning drive for Bryce. I need to see him put the team on his back like Cam used to do. If we don't see several of those things, I think we have to consider moving on. Can't offer BY starter money and a huge chunk of the cap if he's JAG.

The Etienne pick was atrocious. Would much rather triple dipped and gone with Sawyer at that point or an OL.

The beginning of the end started with the perma ban of Alejandro, the fat fug we all loved to hate.

4 or 5 dollars a week. But that's from Igo's secret stash of feet pics.

Also any team taking him has to deal with his dad. I'm guessing coach Deion is as bad an omen as his interviews.

Come on. Take Shadeur. I wanna watch a train wreck

Always draft an oline every year. 9 of 53 players on the roster. At least 1 pick should be devoted there.

I'm wondering if Deion is a huge part of the problem. You're not just drafting Shadeur, you're drafting Prime Time as well and I can't imagine the thought of having to put up with his constant input is going to be appealing or appreciated, especially at the Giants where the coach and GM jobs are on the line. If those guys are out at the end of the year, you can bet Deion would be after the HC job and his son would make that push as well.

Don't crush my dreams.

Can we trade for Howie?

I'm thinking Johnson. They can wait for him to get better and get a top 10 talent.

Deion is probably losing his poo right now.

Yeah it was.

It's not crazy. I remember something about Stroud wanting Tank Dell and Houston taking him because of it.

He can catch the freaking ball. It's a trait we haven't in it feels like forever. I'm happy we finally have a receiver that actually knows how to use his hands and catch the damn ball.