SmokinwithWilly

Brissett outperformed Bryce in only 12 games starting, Minshew is the equivalentof KP and Beck at least has possibilities unlike Grier. Interesting how Arizonas QB room is worse than our

My biggest issue is the footwork and that jump pass thing. He doesn't plant and throw on a consistent basis and you see it in his throws. Those jump balls have a lot of air under them giving defenders time to close and/or jump the route. I've heard him called out on it several times by commentators when watching games.

We don't like below average QB performance. The name of the QB is irrelevant.

Keep on bringing them in. If they don't got the goods, try another one. Only way to find a gem is if we keep on digging.

I remember reading that it's sometimes better to go undrafted than going in the 6th or 7th because the offers you get can actually pay more and the likelihoodof making the team is still roughly the same. Offering the most is how we got Coker.

FiFY

We know the story. Tepper hired Frank. Frank thought he would get to pick his guy after the trade. Tepper overruled him because of a play broken down over a sald. Frank got pissed and didnt GAF anymore, Dave made him sign NDA and paid him millions to go away.

Well, at least we added a seasoned safety to our team...

Hard to say. Depends on who you play and when. Projected good teams end up sucking from either a key injury, bad play or just overall bad coaching. Likewise, some bad teams turn out better than expected from a breakout player, new coaches or overall better than expected performance. Ultimately the question should be, did the Panthers and <insert name here> improve enough to move forward as part of continued efforts. If yes, they stay, if not, move on. No need to over think it.

It's doubtful he plays football again, especially tackle. Recovery rate from this injury is not good. Tackle was a need the minute we found out about the nature of that injury. We can all hope he recovers and comes back, but banking the future on him defying the odds to protect our QBs blind side is really bad strategy. If he does somehow return, I expect he'll need to go inside.

One of the biggest problems with Fitterer is he could not feel the flow of a draft. Mingo was a panic pick. Trading away Moore left our cupboard bare and we had to replace him immediately. It was a pick forced by the trade up. DJ Johnson was a panic pick. It was the end of a run on edge rushers and he felt we had to get somebody, anybody and we got something all right. There were so many issues, but his drafting was some of the worst I've seen. You can't miss year after year and expect to compete.

If we offer him an extension, it will be as an entrenched starting QB. He's not a Burrow or Allen and I don't think we should pay him like one. I still think Lawrence was overpaid for what he produced. Of those you mentioned, only Gettleman was a JR employee. The rest were all here under Tepper. I still see Tepper as the overall issue with our QB room. As far as the comparison between Cam and Bryce, two different QBs in 2 different decades. The key difference between the 2 being, Cam only cost a first. Bryce cost 2 1sts, 2 2nds and Moore. We could afford to miss on Cam, we couldn't with Bryce and so far, we have.

If he's doesn't produce we need to move on. He's not going to take a transition QB deal, or guys that have been on multiple teams, because that's what those numbers are. Guys that are getting their second deal with the original team are getting in the 50s.

That's why I say we have to keep looking. Even if you believe Bryce is the guy, KP and Grier are not and who knows if King is anything more than a gimmick player, we should be active in improving our 2nd QB spot. Season ending injuries happen, and you don't just want to roll over and give it up. How many starters have we seen come from the ranks of backup? Having 2 potential starting QBs is one of the best problems we could have.

As much as I despise Billy B, his philosophy on QBs is how I would approach things if I were a GM. You always keep looking for your next starter. He has Bledsoe, who got injured and his backup ended up being the GOAT. Even while he had that going, he kept getting his next guy and developing them. When Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and went 11-5 and they missed the wild card by dumb luck. Who knows how far they would have gone if they had gotten in. Jimmy Gs career started in NE. There were others, but he always kept looking. You can't be afraid to keep looking for your next starter, but it looks like we're afraid to look for more than a marginal one. If you're going to offer a $25m contract with incentives, that screams marginal QB. It also screams you're just a transition until we find our guy. After a 10 or 11 win season, he's not accepting that offer. And then you're in a Daniel Jones situation. Do you pay for a year of success and pray it wasn't a one year wonder? To this point, Bryce has really produced nothing, yet for whatever reason, our FO has not even sniffed at the idea that we need a real QB room with real QBs. Dalton was never starter potential, Plummer was a joke. KP certainly isn't, neither is Grier. Our approach to the QB room needs to be one of strength not fear. Bring in guys who can compete or who you think can compete. This is THE elite position, in an elite sport, paid premium salary, where production matters. Either you produce or you can lose your job. It's not mean, it's just the reality of the position. And I'm really just tired of our candy ass approach to it.

If you need 6 years to evaluate whether or not your QB is worth keeping, the whole staff needs to be fired.

Because he's the number 1 overall pick on his original team. He's not going into FA. He'll want what other 1st round QBs get on their second deal. And Tepper is so enamored with him he'll force the issue.

Actually that 4400 was based on a 16 game season to match Bryce's 16 games this year. Your offense has to be to drive the ball when it matters. Bryce doesn't do that with any level of consistency. If you're building a team that isn't focused on your QB, then fine. Then there's no need to pay Bryce as a franchise QB because literally anyone else will do. If you're going to pay him 50m plus per season, you have to be able to put the team on his shoulders and know he's going to carry the load. So far, when the pressure is on to get it done, Bryce has fallen miserably short of the target. 4-6 to finish out the season and 0-2 when all we need is a win to secure a playoff spot isn't stepping up and proving yourself as a franchise QB. I'd say it's quite the opposite. There isn't a single coach in this league that would take Bryce over Burrow and very few if any that would take Bryce over Prescott. Hurts didn't have to throw in 2025 because Philly's defense was disgusting and Saquan had a MVP season. But then again, Hurts has shown that he can when it counts, and then there's his signature. Philly runs the tush push to lethal perfection, but that's a play we can't even consider with Bryce. You used 3 QBs from teams that had no defense to show QB stats don't always matter. When we had the worst defense in the NFL, we didn't see Bryce step up and carry the offense and put up gaudy numbers in a losing season because we were playing catch up. It was pretty much the opposite. What have we seen from Bryce consistently to consider offering him a top 10 NFL franchise QB level contract? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

Youre leaving off a very key stat. Darnold threw for over 4k yards last year. That's 1k yards more than Bryce. That's driving an offense and showing an ability to push the ball down field. Bryce hasn't shown he can do that with any type of consistency. Has he had moments, yes. But overall, our offense under his control really struggles. We had 30 4th down attempts last year, and Bryce threw for just over 200 yards and 3 TDs on 4th down. That means he had just 2800 yards downs 1-3 with 20 TDs for the season. That's terrible for a starting QB. That backup level performance. I don't even care that it's Bryce Young putting up these stats. It's our immense dedication to any QB that's doing this poorly overall and is an uncontested entrenched starter and people are talking franchise QB extension. Brissett last year was a 6m per season backup and if his starts we're averaged over 16 games, he would have had 4400/30 and 13. I'd be good with paying for those numbers. Those numbers show an offense that can move with a QB. We just don't get that from our QB right now. This isn't hate on Bryce. Our level of play from the most impactful position on the field has been bad. That has to change if we ever want to be serious about winning in Carolina. You cannot designate 50m plus per season to receive that level of performance. It will be a cap crushing move.

Do we pay based on how many wins or how many games Bryce led us to wins? We've spent quite a bit on defense this year and hopefully they're much improved. If the Panthers do get to 10 wins, but Bryce has another year like last year where he showed up big in a couple, was present in a few, and forgettable in most, do we still pay him 50m per year? I keep bringing it up because I think it's relevant, but Bryce was outplayed by a 6m per year backup last year. I don't see how it's possible to pay a top tier QB contract to someone who's putting up backup QB production.

260m 5 year with 180m guaranteed will be his deal.

Mel Kiper said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen wasn't a successful NFL starter too. Just because the experts make a claim doesnt mean it's true either. Bryce may be a serviceable QB for someone. Serviceable QBs don't bring you a perennial winner or lead you to the playoffs over and over. Serviceable QBs also dont get 50m plus per year deals which is what a Bryce extension would look like. The stats show he hasn't been even a serviceable QB in the 3 years he's been here. The eye test shows he hasn't put together 2 franchise QB salary games back to back in 3 years. Complain all you want about people being negative, but people pointing out that Bryce is held to a different standard than anyone else on the team isn't complaining. It's stating the obvious.

They keep looking right over our staring QB.

We hate losing. I don't know Bryce to hate him. His play as a QB, I absolutely hate. It's just not good enough. If there were a lottery held to select the order and all 32 starting QBs could be drafted as the starting QB for whatever team selected them, how long do you think it would be before Bryce's name was called? Top 10, top 20, bottom 8? Think about it. For me, having never seen back to back games with franchise QB level performance in 3 years tells me what I need to know. We still need to be looking for our solution at QB.

You can protect up to 4 per week but they can't be protected forever. So at some point, they have to come off the list which means if we keep him, he'll likely need to be on the 53.