SmokinwithWilly

As much as I despise Billy B, his philosophy on QBs is how I would approach things if I were a GM. You always keep looking for your next starter. He has Bledsoe, who got injured and his backup ended up being the GOAT. Even while he had that going, he kept getting his next guy and developing them. When Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and went 11-5 and they missed the wild card by dumb luck. Who knows how far they would have gone if they had gotten in. Jimmy Gs career started in NE. There were others, but he always kept looking. You can't be afraid to keep looking for your next starter, but it looks like we're afraid to look for more than a marginal one. If you're going to offer a $25m contract with incentives, that screams marginal QB. It also screams you're just a transition until we find our guy. After a 10 or 11 win season, he's not accepting that offer. And then you're in a Daniel Jones situation. Do you pay for a year of success and pray it wasn't a one year wonder? To this point, Bryce has really produced nothing, yet for whatever reason, our FO has not even sniffed at the idea that we need a real QB room with real QBs. Dalton was never starter potential, Plummer was a joke. KP certainly isn't, neither is Grier. Our approach to the QB room needs to be one of strength not fear. Bring in guys who can compete or who you think can compete. This is THE elite position, in an elite sport, paid premium salary, where production matters. Either you produce or you can lose your job. It's not mean, it's just the reality of the position. And I'm really just tired of our candy ass approach to it.

If you need 6 years to evaluate whether or not your QB is worth keeping, the whole staff needs to be fired.

Because he's the number 1 overall pick on his original team. He's not going into FA. He'll want what other 1st round QBs get on their second deal. And Tepper is so enamored with him he'll force the issue.

Actually that 4400 was based on a 16 game season to match Bryce's 16 games this year. Your offense has to be to drive the ball when it matters. Bryce doesn't do that with any level of consistency. If you're building a team that isn't focused on your QB, then fine. Then there's no need to pay Bryce as a franchise QB because literally anyone else will do. If you're going to pay him 50m plus per season, you have to be able to put the team on his shoulders and know he's going to carry the load. So far, when the pressure is on to get it done, Bryce has fallen miserably short of the target. 4-6 to finish out the season and 0-2 when all we need is a win to secure a playoff spot isn't stepping up and proving yourself as a franchise QB. I'd say it's quite the opposite. There isn't a single coach in this league that would take Bryce over Burrow and very few if any that would take Bryce over Prescott. Hurts didn't have to throw in 2025 because Philly's defense was disgusting and Saquan had a MVP season. But then again, Hurts has shown that he can when it counts, and then there's his signature. Philly runs the tush push to lethal perfection, but that's a play we can't even consider with Bryce. You used 3 QBs from teams that had no defense to show QB stats don't always matter. When we had the worst defense in the NFL, we didn't see Bryce step up and carry the offense and put up gaudy numbers in a losing season because we were playing catch up. It was pretty much the opposite. What have we seen from Bryce consistently to consider offering him a top 10 NFL franchise QB level contract? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

Youre leaving off a very key stat. Darnold threw for over 4k yards last year. That's 1k yards more than Bryce. That's driving an offense and showing an ability to push the ball down field. Bryce hasn't shown he can do that with any type of consistency. Has he had moments, yes. But overall, our offense under his control really struggles. We had 30 4th down attempts last year, and Bryce threw for just over 200 yards and 3 TDs on 4th down. That means he had just 2800 yards downs 1-3 with 20 TDs for the season. That's terrible for a starting QB. That backup level performance. I don't even care that it's Bryce Young putting up these stats. It's our immense dedication to any QB that's doing this poorly overall and is an uncontested entrenched starter and people are talking franchise QB extension. Brissett last year was a 6m per season backup and if his starts we're averaged over 16 games, he would have had 4400/30 and 13. I'd be good with paying for those numbers. Those numbers show an offense that can move with a QB. We just don't get that from our QB right now. This isn't hate on Bryce. Our level of play from the most impactful position on the field has been bad. That has to change if we ever want to be serious about winning in Carolina. You cannot designate 50m plus per season to receive that level of performance. It will be a cap crushing move.

Do we pay based on how many wins or how many games Bryce led us to wins? We've spent quite a bit on defense this year and hopefully they're much improved. If the Panthers do get to 10 wins, but Bryce has another year like last year where he showed up big in a couple, was present in a few, and forgettable in most, do we still pay him 50m per year? I keep bringing it up because I think it's relevant, but Bryce was outplayed by a 6m per year backup last year. I don't see how it's possible to pay a top tier QB contract to someone who's putting up backup QB production.

260m 5 year with 180m guaranteed will be his deal.

Mel Kiper said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen wasn't a successful NFL starter too. Just because the experts make a claim doesnt mean it's true either. Bryce may be a serviceable QB for someone. Serviceable QBs don't bring you a perennial winner or lead you to the playoffs over and over. Serviceable QBs also dont get 50m plus per year deals which is what a Bryce extension would look like. The stats show he hasn't been even a serviceable QB in the 3 years he's been here. The eye test shows he hasn't put together 2 franchise QB salary games back to back in 3 years. Complain all you want about people being negative, but people pointing out that Bryce is held to a different standard than anyone else on the team isn't complaining. It's stating the obvious.

They keep looking right over our staring QB.

We hate losing. I don't know Bryce to hate him. His play as a QB, I absolutely hate. It's just not good enough. If there were a lottery held to select the order and all 32 starting QBs could be drafted as the starting QB for whatever team selected them, how long do you think it would be before Bryce's name was called? Top 10, top 20, bottom 8? Think about it. For me, having never seen back to back games with franchise QB level performance in 3 years tells me what I need to know. We still need to be looking for our solution at QB.

You can protect up to 4 per week but they can't be protected forever. So at some point, they have to come off the list which means if we keep him, he'll likely need to be on the 53.

During the draft process it was said over and over that Arizona doesnt have a starting QB. Brissett started 12 games. He technically played in 2 others taking a single snap in 1 and 3 in the other. If we take his stats from those 12 starts and average it out for 16 to match Bryce's number his output would have been 4488 yards 30 TDs and 11 ints. Now if all the "experts" don't consider that starter worthy how can Bryce's 3011 yards, 23 TDs and 11 int be starter worthy enough to lock in for 2 more years?

This is disappointing. I was hoping we'd be smart and just let him play on the last year of his contract. Giving a 5th year extension to a QB that hasn't had 2 franchise QB performances back to back in 3 years makes zero sense. At some point Bryce has to feel the pressure to perform or know he's gone. I want to believe Dan is going to be a really good GM. poo like this makes me think otherwise.

Can't you protect 4 players on PS?

I think he's going to end up on a prove it deal if he comes back. I cant see anyone paying him a 4 year contract premium LT money without seeing him in live action for a season. It's just too darn risky.

Right now I think we're proceeding as if his career is over. The recovery rate back to full NFL readiness is very low. If Icky returns, he probably needs to go inside where he won't have to rely so much on the lateral movement. Unfortunate situation, but it shows why you need guys training to be a #1 at key positions. LT, QB, green dot LB. Any of these guys are 1 injury away from their careers being on the rocks.

Very true. It looks good on paper for now. None of the picks look like panic picks, unlike Fitterer. I'm happy we finally drafted a center. We've been playing guys off injury or out of position for nearly a decade. Biggest hope is now that Canales won't be calling plays, we can end up getting something out of XL inside the hashes where he has room to run and stop trying to use him on the boundary where he sucks.

Brockermeyer to the Falcons feels wrong.

Was listening to a podcast a couple days ago and they were talking about how Canales said he wanted to use Legette after he was drafted and he hasn’t followed through with any of it. Not saying they were right, but it was an interesting take I hadn't heard before.

Still available. Pittsburgh was interested at one time.

Big daddy Dave has the cash. Spend some on some the udfa we want. That's how we got Coker. We offered more than anyone else.

I'm good with the Freeling pick. LT is a position that doesn't hurt from sitting half the season, just to get used to NFL edge rushers, similar to rookie QBs.

Finally! Somebody in the FO must have finally logged into the Huddle.

I wanted a tackle as long as we didn't reach or pass on an elite blue chip if one miraculously fell, and as long as we weren't trying to make a RT fit into the LT spot. I expected us to come out with at least 1 lineman, possibly 2 and maybe 3 if we grabbed one in the 6th or an UDFA that stuck. We need depth. Last year we used 14 linemen. The trenches are a meat grinder.

We needed it. We were awfully thin. I'd be happy if we added a G/T or G/C or an actual return guy in the 6th.