SmokinwithWilly

That was an impressive level of QB implosion that happens once, maybe twice every couple of seasons. There's bad luck, quicksand, or a swan dive into the vat of whatever fugduggery he found that morning.

Different reason tho. DC's offense runs best with a gunslinger. It's to judge his offense and capabilities and to allow our players to work under a QB that can run that offense. It can tell us if it's the pieces surrounding Bryce, Bryce, DC, a combo, none of the above. It could answer questions we need answers to

Even if we don't, if Dalton mimics last year's performance, we need to look for better, though it will cost us to cut him.

If it's even remotely true it's one hell of a tell. He immediately starts to roll out or scramble, stay honest. Standard drop back, no deep ball, red zone D.

The point i was trying to make wasnt can he complete it or not. It was are we even trying it as a set play from the pocket or are they coming only on roll outs or scrambles. So, for instance, if the defense is in coverage and sees Bryce is in the pocket, based on my illustrative stats, there is a 99.6% probability that there's no pass being thrown beyond 20 yards. So you play the 20 yards in front of you and if you get burned, you get burned. It's a huge advantage because you know as long as he's there, that play isn't coming. Again, this is a purely fictional statistic and situation, but the point is pretty valid I think when it comes to defenses playing against us whether it's Bryce or Dalton or whoever.

I wonder how many of Bryce's deep balls, let's say those 30 air yards or more, come from inside the pocket vs when he's scrambling. That would probably tell a whole lot about game planning. My hunch is most are scrambling, because holding those passing lanes open is hard and he already has trouble seeing the field over taller linemen. I suspect we probably don't have as many designed deep ball plays simply because we can't run them effectively due to the simple nature of pocket mechanics and maintaining field vision. Again, just my hunch.

Jones was brought in to compete with AR but Steichen was allowed to be real and say AR isnt ready and may never be. It's not a bad thing to acknowledge the reality a lot of these high QB draft picks don't make it as NFL franchise QBs. It's not a knock on Bryce, Stroud or AR. It's just the NFL. Ive been insistent we needed more than Dalton. Other than the Raiders game, he was horrible. Plummer. Why bother. It's like we put the minimal amount of effort to a position that's actually pretty damned significant. Hell, look at Nick Foles. Backup QB wins the damn SB. Also, how many times have we seen a backup come in and never relinquish the job. Brady was Bledsoe's backup, and an injury launched a career that led to 7 SB rings. There were guys available that were better than Dalton. We could and should have done more for the betterment of the team. If we had brought in Howell instead of Dalton, and Bryce played like he has until now, then Howell went in and started lighting it up, we would be able to say with certainty that the problems are Bryce problems because this guy can do it but Bryce can't. Dalton has already shown us he's not really capable of a lot. Maybe he surprises us, but I don't have high hopes of HQ QB play. I don't care who the QB is. Bryce, AR, Jameis, some off world clone of Cam we found in a time capsule next to JR'S pool. Just be real and honest in all QB evaluations and may the best QB win the job. Do what's best for the Panthers, not just any one player.

Because to address it you have to address that he's been shielded from real competition at the backup position, especially this off season. There are things that just don't make sense unless someone named Tave Depper is peddling some influence, and if he's doing it here, he's more than willing to do it other places as well if he's unhappy with some of the things being said about him, especially by an iconic former Panther.

The trade offer was for a prime Khalil Mack player. That's never been Burns. Burns production was on par with Reddick. 3 year 45m was the contract Reddick signed. Burns could have gotten a little more, but 5 year 141 is ridiculous in comparison of production at that stage of their career. Burns is playing well in year 8. Yay. Finally. Pass rusher that still can't play the run. Same thing everyone said then, including me. Fitterer should have been fired immediately for not taking the trade. Burns didn't shut down the Broncos from scoring 33 in the 4th quarter. 33 GD points. That's not an elite take over the game when it matters player. I'm still not wrong. And you're still an idiot.

Me either. I actually thinks it's the worst thing that could have happened. The last thing we need right now is Bryce out for any length of time. We need him to play for the FO to decide, correctly or not, if he is the future of this team.

It's Wednesday, we're bored, and suffering theough another Halloween cooking show pretendingto be interested. What'd you expect.

They did but only because they picked Williams. I remember a lot of us pre draft felt Daniels was the better of the two and there were some big flags with Williams that may make him fools gold. But Chicago is the place QBs go to watch their careers die or never really be born, so there is that curse too.

Wtf are you even talking about? We only traded him because we hadn't been able to work out a contract because we had lost any leverage in negotiations after rejecting a trade offer for a player equivalent to prime Khalil Mack. He was not producing as a top tier game changing edge rusher like Mack. He was producing like Hasaan Reddick. He deserved to be paid like Reddick, not Mack.

My thought too. Chicago needs a QB. Why in the hell are they trading away that pick unless they think it's going to net them a better pick in the next year's draft if hy didn't believe in these guys. But they also selected Caleb Williams so I don't know that they cam really judge QBs either, but it still seems like they got the better end of the trade then.

KB was always an anomaly to me and hard to judge. He never looked the same after his knee injury and his mom's passing. Grief does strange things to people. I know some people who've bounced right back and I've known some that it just tore apart and it changed their personality and life perspective. He was admittedly in a dark place after that and it just kept going downhill. I always thought that grief may have played a bigger role than we think, or it may not have. That's just one of those I shake my head and say man, I just don't know.

I never understood how they made the trade without having a target as they stated. You know you're drafting a QB but you don't know who. If you don't know one of those is worth the 1st pick yet, how do you move up to draft any of them? What if none of them are worth the pick after the pre draft process? Then you've put yourself in a position that you can't really get away from. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should take one of the options available.

Half the board was worried about injury history and rightly so. He's a top corner when healthy but paying a top tier contract for a guy that had missed half his pro career was and still is a large risk. We paid on potential, which is largely what the Panthers have done and it's bitten us in the ass quite frequently. I think the contract should have been less because he hasn't shown durability, but that's irrelevant now. He balls out the next 4 years, the contract is worth it. He gets injured and is out half the games, it wasn't. Time will tell the true value of the contract.

But if you're planning to make a move for a QB in the future, and we were, those picks would have been huge trade capital. Now ask yourself how much better situation would we have been in if we had been able to exchange the Rams 1sts instead of our own and DJ Moore? Would we still have ended up with the number 1 overall? Possibly. Would we have kept Darnold since he was showing improvement and see if he improved, then had 4 1sts in 2 years to get our QB. Its possible. We could have also used those 4 1sts to build around Bryce and our defense. We could have done a lot. It wasn't just about Burns. It was admitting we weren't just a single piece away. Burns gave us 3 high value pieces to build from in trade value if played correctly. For a GM with any vision for the future, that's a grand slam and you're signing that trade before they can reconsider.

Trading Burns for what was offered was the correct move. Two 1sts and a 2nd was a haul for a non QB. Granted Fittershits isn't who you want doing the drafting. We lost all leverage when we didn't trade him. Burns was never a game wrecker or ever took over a game like a Watts, Bosa or Parsons. It was poorly played by the FO all around.

He's probably going to want at least 40

But can he play DE on the PS.

For me, they don't need to beat anyone. I need to see growth in DC and Bryce if he's going to be hanging around. DC's offensive play calls leave me scratching my head a lot and his situational awareness leaves a lot to be desired. I know, he's in year 2, but I'm tired of watching us do things that don't work just because it's his comfort zone. For Bryce, he needs to show he's the franchise week in and out, whether or not he's got a 200 yard back. We don't need a game manager. We need the guy that can throw the team on his shoulder when we've got 30 yards rushing down by 3 scores and not from turnovers.

If your goal is the playoffs and ultimately a SB ring, fug your ego. Do what is best for the team as a whole. Eventually Rico will have an off game or 2 and Chuba will get the bulk. It's just the way it goes.

I think it's fair to say the arm issue is directly related to the footwork. It's like throwing a punch. If you dont step into it, there's not going to be much behind it and youre not going to control where it goes as well. I remember harping on Icky and his footwork as a rookie and was told repeatedly that coaches are only allowed to do so much and he had to get help outside of the team for his coaching with that. Probably the same with Bryce. Don't know if he's getting help with issues, but if he is, it's not taking. I also remember watching a special on Kobe working on his fade away and this was a couple years before his retirement. He never held the basketball, but he did the drill 2k times in a row trying to perfect it. The great ones constantly work on their craft.

Zavala will be put in at LG and beat his personal best of 14 QB pressures given up vs Seattle. In all seriousness though, Dalton is good for 1, maybe 2 games. We're 4-3 with a chance to make a playoff push. If Bryce is as good as many believe he is, now he's out and injured. If it's a significant injury and he misses an extended period of time, Dalton has already shown he isnt up to the task. Just bad off season planning re-signing a guy that wasnt able to do it for you last year.