SmokinwithWilly

He's gonna be able to talk about his grandkid watching him play in the NFL.

No need to at this point. Vet min is almost 1.2 for him and he wouldn't be back until late in the season if at all. It would be a waste of cap space. Unfortunate, but reality of the game.

Yosh will replace BC at swing. I like BC but his time as a Panther may be done. Achilles injuries are a lot to overcome, especially that late in the season to even have a chance at next year.

Costs the same to cut him as keep him. On the list of dumb things to do, this is up there

First thing. Can he catch the damn ball. Nope. Off the board. Yes. Move on to evaluation step 2.

No GM hits 100%. I'm well aware. But what a GM has to do is look at the roster, what's available, and future contracts and go from there. XL was a one season wonder in college. He has speed. Who cares. He body catches and his hands are bricks. Speed doesn't matter when you don't actually have the ball. There were other receivers available with better resumes. XL was a project. Fitts loved projects. You don't have the luxury of projects when you just traded away DJ for a QB. 1st round WRs need to contribute now. Brooks was a luxury RB pick we didn't have the luxury to make. Who cares if Dallas was going to pick him. We had holes all over our defense. We just inked 150m interior line and then centered it by moving a guard to center that had suffered 2 season ending injuries. The most critical area on our line was being held together by a bandaid and a prayer. No surprise when it didn't work. Wallace is getting better but Wilson was sitting there waiting to be taken. DPOY for college football right there for the taking. That was a gimme pick. If you're going to take a risk on an injured player, the 3rd round for Wilson made a whole lot more sense at a position we were rest stop TP thin at. 4th round and on aren't going to be heavy contributors unless you're lucky. He did well on the trade for Jackson. Coker, I believe he offered the largest guarantee. He actually got more than some late round picks make. Those 1st 3 picks, IMO, were straight up whiffs. Looking back at Fitterer's picks, I think he tried to plug holes because we had a ton of them. Problem was, he wasn't very good at it and he loved RAS scores and developmental players with a coach that couldn't develop a Polaroid. He tried to do too much. He was impatient. His other problem was he panicked during the draft and couldn't read or understand the flow of how drafts tend to go. DJ Johnson was the prime example. We needed an edge rusher and he jumped in at the end of the run instead of starting it. Morgan's first year looked exactly like Fitts to me. Lots of projects. 2nd year looks better. We'll see how 3rd year goes. FA also plays into all of this as well but that's a whole different topic of how it played out and planning with regard to drafting.

The only thing I said was he was part of the staff that made part of the decisions, and that I am judging the decisions made by that group as a whole. As assistant GM, you can pretty much guarantee his input held more sway than an intern or the guy that takes coffee requests. Fitterer didn't operate in a vacuum. Neither does Morgan now. While Fitterer did have the ultimate decision, to say that Dan had no input in ranking boards, evaluating FAs, trade offers or anything else would be asinine. We all know he did. Otherwise what the hell was his job as assistant GM? He wouldn't have been kept for 3 years if he was arguing every decision Scott ever made. And the actual quote was "Morgan has done a bang up job in the draft and FA. Compared to what the last guy did, he is kicking ass and taking names." So is XL kicking ass and Brooks taking names from last years draft or did I get it backwards? We took Wallace over Payton Wilson because he was an injury risk after trading up for a RB with a torn ACL? Which one of the kicking ass and taking names was that? Maybe we should review the thousands of gameday posts calling for XL to get off the field because he's a bust and can't catch a cold. We could review the posts about Brooks but... And Wilson. He's at 118 tackles this season vs 36 for Wallace. I gave credit to Dan for a good draft this year. But I'm also not ignoring last year's draft either since he did that one after the last guy too. That's not a strawman.

And you can't say how much Dan did or didn't influence decisions that were made. All I can look at is what's happened while he's been part of the organization. And there's no way to know why he was hired either. You're making a lot of assumptions. From what I've seen from Morgan as GM alone, 1 horrible draft and FA period, one good looking draft and FA period. Not going to crown him a GM god after a year. Sorry.

Actually I'm more frustrated at the FO than anyone and have been for a long time.

Dan's been part of 5 drafts, 3 as an assistant to the "last guy" and 2 leading the way. The first 3 with Fitts were pretty ugly overall. Last year's draft, his 1st, isn't looking hot. This year looking like a winner. He's been part of some bad FA decisions, some good ones, and right now we have the most expensive OL in the league with our franchise LT on the last year of his rookie deal. That's going to get even more expensive. I'm not ready to crown him as a GM god quite yet because one good year isn't making up for all the bad that's been done the previous 4.

But talking about it doesn't make you a hater either. Unless we catch lightning in a bottle, we aren't winning a SB this year so what we do in the offseason matters. After 3 decades I'm over the feel good winning season then back into sucking. I would like a consistent winning team. If Bryce is part of that, great. If not, also great. Whatever makes the team better.

Not to mention, only Lamar played on his 5th year. The other recent drafted QBs with the same team were given an extension around this time during the offseason. Bryce playing on the 5th year is not the likely scenario based on recent history.

My determination has come down to this. Based on recent QB history, has Bryce's improvement warranted 50m per season? Lamar is the only original team QB to play on his 5th year. The others took major deals at the end of the 3rd, before or just after the option was signed. Chances are, we're getting asked for the same. I haven't rooted for Bryce to fail. I've rooted for him to succeed so big that them signing that extension would give me no worries about our future at QB at all. We haven't seen that level of play consistently that this year. We haven't seen it in the past 6 games. We're about to be at a threshold with Bryce and I worry about what this front office will do. We have a history of bad decision making and Morgan has been part of that group making those decisions. I don't want Carolina in the same boat Arizona and Miami are right now. It has nothing to with being right. It has to do with wanting to win for more than a single season. We've never had back to back winning seasons. Faith in their abilities is not warranted at this point.

The fact he's done what he has with the poo show that is the Raiders says a lot. He gets hit so much at or behind the LOS

Rigging a game is hard. Influencing an outcome not so much. There have been calls made this year that have directly affected outcomes with no explanation where they came from. Look at earlier this year with the Lions/ Chiefs with an illegal motion call being made extremely late only after the TD had been scored. Also hard to ignore the study showing Chiefs receiving an unusually high amount of favorable penalty calls. Again, entertainment industry same as WWE. Good storylines are good for business. Technology has gotten so much better it's easier for fans to see. Goodell is also such a terrible liar and such an unlikeable asshat believing he's 100% above board is impossible after he preached the virtues of player safety while issuing a 25k fine to Aqib Talib after he said he tried to break Philly Brown's neck in SB 50.

Like I said, Rhule was a joke. He just tried to grab a QB and hope for instant success. Development was never in his wheelhouse. Why he was brought back for year 3 only to be fired 5 games in was always a mystery.

He also got one of the worst head coaches to ever show his face in the NFL. Matt Rhule was a walking talking joke. Sam improved once Rhule was canned. I'm not a Sam defender by any stretch but he got a raw deal with his HCs. Adam Gase and Matt Rhule and people wonder why he couldn't get his poo together. It's not surprising that he played better once he got to an organization that wasn't a train wreck at the HC position.

Some things can be explained by incompetence but other things make no sense. Random calls from NY to change calls with no explanation. Plays reviewed with the wrong call made the league apologizes for later. While it's difficult to outright rig, it's not difficult to influence outcomes. A few key calls at pivotal times. It's an entertainment business for a reason.

It was the right call for sure. But heads up to Goff for at least trying to take that lateral and go for it.

Crazy ending. Goff was pleading for the flag to be picked up

I don't disagree he's useless. He was useless before they signed him this offseason. We seem to be content with useless the past 2 seasons where Dalton is concerned.

The trade up cost was crazy, especially with the future 1st ending up being the 1st overall.

Agree. Atlanta game was fantastic. Last week vs NO was not.

Tepper back in the locker room. He was probably waiting for the game ball.

I would have loved to have seen competition at the backup position brought in last year when Dalton wasn't even under contract. There's a reason it's not done. Ask yourself why Jack Plummer was brought back to camp after a horrible showing in 2024. There won't be another QB capable of taking the starting job should Bryce get benched for another slow start.