AU-panther

diverting again

Of course we looked at analytics, but we also looked at traditional scouting. Which was the primary driver? You keep making absolute statements trying to prove your point and it’s not going well. Just because we looked at some analytics driven data doesn’t mean if we had used more that the outcome wouldn’t have been different. if anything I would say traditional scouting hurt us more than anything, better use of analytics could have prevented that. Also better scouting could have.

And again

lol. That’s your typical response when discussions aren’t going your way.

Nobody is saying it’s a magic wand. Aalso knee bend would be a measurable., so maybe you are the one that doesn’t know the difference between analytics and knee bend. Analytic people realize that it is non exact science, they are just trying to use historical data to improve future odds somewhat. It’s the non-analytic dinosaurs that tend to think in binary, absolute terms.

I wasn’t referring just to measurables but either way this is a pointless discussion. You do realize the reason that Bruce was QB1 for so many people through the league was his film, you know that scouting thing you are talking about, but whatever.

Those personnel decisions would have been better with better use of analytics.

Lol. Scouting isn’t about weather a player is good enough or not, it’s about projecting wether a player can be good enough or not at the next level, hence the reason scouts are so terrible at it. Analytics is nothing but a tool to use in the bigger picture, to not use it is ignorant.

You are making the assumption that the S2 score is the entire reason we drafted Bryce. In the absence of any S2 score he probably would have still been drafted first based on what the scouting told them. Also based on this thread it’s pretty clear that those that complain about analytics the most understand them the least. Alos if we were so analytics driven we might not have considered Young at all. His measurables alone make him an outlier based on analytic data.

Exactly how many draft picks di Tepper come up on his own? How many free agent decisions were his idea from the start? To be honest, most of this drama is overplayed, hopefully the perspective coaches will see through that. I will say though that at times perception can become greater than reality and do hope that doesn’t happen.

Not happening and ridiculous to think that. An owner, owns the team and pays the bills, they aren’t giving up final say if they want it. They might choose to defer but to put it writing is unlikely. Also, what kind of intervene are we talking? Weekly meeting with the coach? Going to pro day? That’s not too crazy. Making draft picks and free agency decisions? How often did he really do that?

This is so overplayed. Plenty of evidence he was heavily involved but not the one making the final personal decisions. There are actual reports saying he understands he has limited football experience and often deferred to the football people around him. He didn't make all of those terrible draft picks, he just picked the guys that were terrible at it. If he picks the correct GM or coach, it won't matter if he has a weekly meeting with the coach.

What exactly are these other parts of running the team?

There are a few people around here who consistently make excuses for Fitt, usually along the lines of "Rhule had final say and Tepper meddles". Just because you read some article talking about Rhule having final say and micromanaging doesn't mean they are coming up with all of the bad ideas. Think about all of the bad decisions that have been made the past few years between free agency, trades and draft pick, do you honestly think none of those were Fitt's ideas? Even if a coach has final say the GM is usually the one presenting the choices to the coach. Let's say the coach wants a new player at a certain position, the GM presents what he thinks are good options to the coach and the coach then decides which one. Do you honestly think the GM is presenting a player to the coach he thinks is terrible. Same with Tepper, do people honestly think he is the one out there scouting these players, If he is deciding on a QB it's based on the info he has been given. If Tepper really liked Young more than Stroud I would guess it's because the people around him convinced him he was better, at the very least extremely close.

we have some of the fewest turnovers in the league but let's don't use facts. 2023 NFL Turnover Differential | The Football Database (footballdb.com)

We have some of the fewest turnovers in the league. Other defenses are having to deal with more.

Go look up time of possession stats, we are actually one of the best teams in the league.

Even if it was "middle of the pack" results should we be considering that DC for HC job? Also, DVOA and EPA consider the field potion battle.

Borderline top ten? based on what? outside of yards per game we are bad at every other metric. We turn the ball over? How much compared to other teams? You make it sound like it more than most. Its not. We are actually 11th in the league in turnovers given. That actually helps our defense. NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Giveaways per Game | TeamRankings.com Also metrics like DVOA and EPA actually factor in turnovers and offensive performance.

For all of the people who are singing the praises of our DC, what are you basing it on? Yard per game? Granted we are 3rd best in the league NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Yards per Game | TeamRankings.com but, what about points per game? We are 29th. We were actually better during the Rhule/Snow years. NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Points per Game | TeamRankings.com What about some of the advanced metrics that take into account your opponent and how your own offense is affecting your defense. DVOA: We are 27th. Total Team DVOA - NFL Football Stats (ftnfantasy.com) EPA: roughly bottom third NFL EPA Tiers | nfelo.app (nfeloapp.com)

One of them graded in the 60s, which isn’t that high, which he didn’t have much competition to be in the top 5. Also you do realize when a sack or pressure is given up it usually isn't the fault of the entire line. that’s the entire point of off, they watch each player on each play, whereas most fans such as yourself just watch the ball and when you see a sack you start complaining about the entire line.

In the absence of insight you are allowed to use logic. If Nicole was not in the draft room do you feel like we would not have magically not traded up for Johnson? Of course we would have still done it. Even speculating, common sense tells you we still would have. Any other guess is purely agenda driven.

Do you honestly think she made the decision to trade for DJ? She made the phone call, big deal.l, she conveyed what the front office!and coaches had already decided. The GM and his staff make their big board. If we drafted him it was because the did their due diligence and thought he was good value, for a need, at that point in the draft. As far as listed as team leadership, formality to be in certain meetings. As far as the coaching search, do you think she swayed the owners decision?

What major role do you think she really has?

I doubt he is the only owner in the league who talks to their coaches on a weekly basis. Not to mention, if you look like the worst team in the league you might need talking to. All this meddling talk is overblown. How many draft decisions did Tepper overrule the GM (Or coach if he had final say) on?