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how many of them resulted in 1st downs? was he throwing short of the sticks?

Tell me his completions on third down? Then tell us his conversions on third down. If you call enough easy passes any QB can have a high completion percentage.

and that is a very valid point, its very possible he played it safe, we've all seen QBs overthrow that pass also, but based on what what did happen I wouldn't say it was a rare throw. His best throw of the game might have been the sideline pass to Moore in the 2nd quarter. Tight coverage and he put it the one spot that gave his WR a chance to make a play.

and that is my point, those are the types of throws that good QBs make more often than bad QBs. No QB makes them all of the time and no QB in the league misses them all of the time. The good QBs do it a higher percentage of the time than the bad QBs do. Its only one game so not fair to say which side he is on yet, but by the end of the season that is what we have to look at. Throwing a bunch of each check downs to CMC doesn't mean you are a good QB. Just quickly looking at game logs. 11 third downs where we attempted a pass. 6/11 completion percentage but only 3/11 on conversions. Several throws short of the sticks. Are we looking for a QB that we can win with if everything else goes good or a QB that can carry a team? Teddy could have done what was done today.

rare? Anderson was wide open, and had to slow up. If it would have been tight coverage it probably would have been an incompletion. A rare throw is when your WR is covered but the QB puts it in the one little spot where the WR can catch it. Don't get me wrong, it was a nice completion, but not what I would consider a big time throw.

I didn't say I had a problem with his play. I just said that what we saw today wasn't really that impressive. He did what was asked which wasn't much. By the end of the season the team is going to have to decide whether Sam is a franchise QB or not, today didn't tell us much.

A lot of QBs in the league can make the easy throws. When you are trying to figure out if he is going to be your franchise QB after this season its the harder throws that separate the good QBs from the average. How many throws today did he actually make that other average NFL QBs wouldn't have made? I'm not saying he played bad, I'm just not convinced todays game tells you much. They clearly protected him with play calling.

Stat line looked good, but seemed to be a lot of dinking and dunking. 11 targets to RBs TD to Robby was nice, but Robby was wide open. Ball looked a bit underthrown. It was the Jets so we didn't have to do much to win. Can he consistently make high level throws if needed against better teams? Seems like we traded for a guy to play just like the guy we had before. As the season progresses I would think they will ask more of him. Pretty obvious they are protecting him.

If the defense is playing that well you just go for it. Either way you have three choices there, FG, punt, or go for it. I would guess we easily made the worst one statistically.

22 starters, 3 ST specialist, 8 captains? is it really a big deal when a third of the players are captains?

Elflein was the same player last year, so whatever they are seeing on tape now is the same as what they saw on tape when they signed him.

That doesn't tell you anything about how they compare. Maybe Elflein should be a back up or unemployed.

Elflein is better than Reed and Schofield? Based on what exactly? Draft position? Name recognition? What about PFF scores? If you don’t buy into PFf did you actually watch every play of all 3 last year?

This is exactly who everybody thought he was last year. I keep saying, It but expecting a player to become something he hasn’t been in recent history is a losing proposition. Part of me wants to believe his background at center was part of the allure, maybe he could possible be the game day back up or possible move into a starting role next year, but who knows.

We could have used that pick for Minshew and used the 2nd, 4th, and 6th for OL.

I didn't say anything about what our offense is going to do this season, I was commenting on how Sam played and how stat lines can be deceiving. Swing passes to the RB behind the LOS aren't really that impressive, Teddy could do that. Most of the QBs in the league can do that. Most QBs can have a decent stat line based on play calling. The elite QBs are the ones that can be successful when asked to do more. Do you want to pay $30m a year for a guy that can just do the underneath stuff? I'm not hating on Sam, my only point is they didn't ask him to do much this game, we will get a better idea of how good he is when he is asked to do more. I'm trying to remember the 4 plays over 9 yards; 1st series, the one he missed to wide open Marshal over the middle, should have been touchdown. No QB hits that 100% of the time but the good ones complete it more than the bad ones. We don't know which category Sam is in yet. Mid range crosser to Robby I think, threw behind him, could have been a pick. 4th down throw 1st series, could have been a pick. 4th down so if it would have been a pick not a big deal. TD throw to Robby. Very good pass.

exactly ^ His stat line looked good but it can be a bit deceiving. They definitely kept things simple with play calling. According to: NFL Preseason Week 3 Game Recap: Carolina Panthers 34, Pittsburgh Steelers 9 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF 20/24 of his passes were within 9 yards. He was 2/4 on passes over 9 yards Only 3 passes were to players lined up wide. 61% of his yards were after the catch. Average depth of target was 4.5 yards You have to ask yourself how many of his completions were actually passes that the majority of the league would also make.

4 man front teams will often keep 9 Dlineman, 5 DEs and 4 DTs

We are going for steady and consistent so we trade for one of the most inaccurate, turnover prone QBs in the league? All kidding aside, will be interesting year to see if the staff can turn him into something he hasn’t proven to be. Hopefully they can.

There seem to be questions about Robby's new contract and the effect it will have on resigning DJ. Also some people view it as a bit of an overpay. In a vacuum, maybe it is, especially if he loses targets to CMC and/or Marshal, but I think sometimes teams look at the position group as a whole when allocating resources. Lets make some assumptions and then we can run some numbers. Most reports have Robby's contract around 38m for 3 years, lets call it $13m a year for the next 3 to keep it simple. Marshall is on a rookie contract that has cap charges of 1m, 1.3m, 1.6m, and 1.8m for the next four years. Receivers 4, 5, and 6 are pretty much always going to be cheap. For example Shi and Zylstra are a little less than $1m each. David Moore is a little over $2m a year for 2 years. Here again for simplicity sakes lets say $4m a year for WR 4-6. Moore's cap hit this year is $3.6m. Cap hit next year with 5th year option is around $11m, but if we resign him it will most likely be an extension and there is a very good chance his 2022 cap hit will be lower. Even with a "huge contract" in the 18-20m range his cap hits the next 3 years could be something like $5m, $15, and then $25m Also 6 WRs are 11% of your roster. If we put all of this together the cap hit for our 6 WRs in 2021 will be around $21.6m. Based on a $182m cap that is around 12% allocation of resources. In 2022 our total cap hit will around $23.3m, which based on a $192m cap (I'll assume it goes up by $10m each year) is around 12% allocation of resources. In 2023 our total cap hit will around $33.6m, which based on a $202m cap (I'll assume it goes up by $10m each year) is around 17% allocation of resources. In 2024 Robby is off of the books but DJ is to the expensive part of his cap cost. Lets assume DJ is $20m and we replace Robby with a rookie making $1m. Total cap coast is $26.8 which is 13% of the cap based on a $212m salary cap. As you can see 2021, 2022, and 2024 are all reasonable. Really only in 2023 does our WR cost get a bit high, and depending on the contract they might could release Robby after 2022 or trade him. Point is I don't see Robby's contract automatically preventing us from signing DJ to an extension. Honestly if Marshal develops like alot of thinks the team has done really good job of layering their contracts in the WR group. What if we don't resign DJ, either he wants too much or maybe Marshal really develops, or a combination of the two. At that point resigning Robby seems even smarter. That way we don't lose our top 2 WRs in back to back years. In a vacuum I understand the argument that Robby's contract might be a bit of an overpay but at the same time the team basically just insured itself some stability for the WR group for the next 3 years.

Pretty much what I a few days ago. Look at the WR group as a whole. Marshall will be cheap for the next 4. Moore, even with an extension, will be relatively cheap for the next 2-3 years. Even is he signs a mega deal it will be somewhat backloaded like they always are. WRs 4-5-6 will be cheap vets or rookies on cheap deals. By the time Moore’s cap hits are large Robbys contract will be over. Same with Marshall, by the time you have to pay him Robby will be gone. Overall WR cap hit for the entire team won’t be too bad for the next 2-4 years, but at the same time the team has some stability there. Also if by the small chance we don’t reach a deal with DJ you have stability of knowing you have Robby for a few more years, especially is Marshall plays good.

People get too caught up in the so called alignment name. Move Burns to the LOS and call it a 4-2-5 or big nickel and it seems a lot more normal to people. Also “base” tends to be the exception rather than the rule, it has become a sub package league.

Just because he played doesn’t mean he played well.

Could be Robby, maybe a 2-3 year deal. Even if they sign DJ to an extension his cap numbers shouldn't be high for the next few years. With Marshall being on a rookie deal they might justify paying Robby for the short term.

They also projected his to go in the 2nd. Next 4 tackles off the board: Dalton Risner Max Scharping Trey Pipkins Chuma Edoga Needless to say LTs are hard to find.